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Long term meds and medical screening

Ryansama
Ryansama Member Posts: 6
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My husband is seven years into this dementia journey. He has zero short term memory and confabulations constantly about places we’ve never been, ads he sees on TV etc. He can’t find anything in the kitchen. He’s 73 years old and obese but pretty healthy. The doctor wants him to have a colonoscopy and to start cholesterol medicine. I don’t want that. He has painfully debilitating fatal disease. Why would we want to do anything to prolong his suffering or mine? I am serious, how are you handling these situations? I would do anything to keep him comfortable but would not subject him pointless medical treatment.

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  • Chris20cm
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    I understand completely. It's really quite remarkable how little compassion the physicians and other family members have for the 24/7 caregiver of spouses with dementia. DW was diagnosed nearly 8 years ago and has no short term memory. Most people don't realize how difficult that alone makes daily living for the caregiver. No participation, things constantly get lost or put into unusual places, everything the caregiver does gets interrupted by urgent questions that have already been asked numerous times, every appointment is resisted, hygiene has to be managed intelligently, vigilance is required or the wandering happens, etc. And to top it all off, I am realizing that I might be guilty of the pointless medical treatment you mentioned. But I guess as Nietzche suggested, that which doesn't kill us makes us stronger. No doubt, there are multitudes of strong caregivers out there, some of us on the verge of blowing a circuit board.

  • harshedbuzz
    harshedbuzz Member Posts: 5,110
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    I suspect most of us here feel as you do. Many of us would welcome and exit ramp at some point to avoid end stage dementia in the form of some other medical event or fatal illness.

    My mantra with routine testing is "what are we going to do with this information?" I question mom's doctors around each test, new medication and procedure. FTR, mom is 86 and does not have dementia. We took a more palliative approach once dad was where your wife is— no more routine testing (X-rays, blood work for infection and testing for UTIs as needed only). We stopped his statin, metformin, baby aspirin and BP meds.

    HB

  • cdgbdr
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    I just had this conversation with a friend today. DH is 72, in Stage 5 perhaps teetering on 6. My approach is palliative. Nothing that doesn't promote comfort and safety.

  • Carl46
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    I am handling this by not treating my wife's lymphoma. Neither her doctor nor I think subjecting her to chemotherapy for the rest of her life is beneficial. She is better off on hospice with adequate pain meds for several months than living a few months longer in discomfort and dying of dementia.

    This isn't for my benefit, it is for her benefit. She entrusted me with her medical decisions years ago, when she signed a DPOA, and I am doing what she asked me to do.

  • Quilting brings calm
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    Your spouse isn’t going to 1) know what he’s having a colonoscopy for 2) be able to deal with the prep the day here, 3) be able to deal with any treatment based upon the results of the colonoscopy. The cholesterol meds… does he have existing heart disease? Because otherwise there’s no reason to start worrying about cholesterol at this point in his like. Is he resistant to taking meds now? Because he will only get worse in that respect

  • annie51
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    For me, the colonoscopy was the first decision like this to make for my DH. I think he was late Stage 5 at the time and I just could not find the benefit in putting him through the prep and the procedure. As others have said, think about what you would do with the information you would get from it?
    I haven’t yet thought about stopping blood pressure and cholesterol meds yet, though. Something to think about.

  • Chammer
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    MILwAD, early stage 6 at the time, had a several day hospitalization for Giardia about 5 months before she died. When she got home she started either slapping away her meds or accepting them nicely in her hand then throwing them across the room. She had decided she no longer wanted meds and we agreed.

    She went on hospice shortly after that and her hospice meds (seroquel and remeron in hopes she would be less agitated for personal care attempts - they never worked) were all crushed and served in her morning and evening ice cream (cause isn't every queen special enough to get breakfast and dinner ice cream 😉).

    She declined very quickly going through the rest of stage 6 and 7 in a matter of 5 months. I truly believe she decided she was done living. She didn't seem depressed, just done and ready to move on, so she did.

  • Ryansama
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    Thanks for the support thoughtful support everyone. I only wish that the Doctors had time to know their individual patients instead of blindly prescribing medication based on lab tests.

  • Timmyd
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    My DW ALZ has changed the way I interact with doctors. I used to have great deference to their recommendations and rarely pushed back. That is not the case anymore. It took a while to get comfortable saying "no" to the doctor. I got better with practice and for the most part, they do not seem to bothered with my refusals. They are so used to seeing certain lab results and prescribing certain treatments, it feels like it may be reflex for them.

  • Jgirl57
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    we have decided no more MRI, colonoscopy , and decreased cholesterol dosage and stopped vitamins. We try and eat a healthy diet and continue what limited physical activity he can handle . Our plan is to not treat anything major that arises . I am trying to read and learn about palliative care.

  • SDianeL
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    between stages 5-6, I stopped all testing and specialist visits. As someone on this forum recommended when you have decisions to make “play it all the way out”. To what end? Why prolong the suffering from this disease? The doctors have their check lists and many times I’m not sure they even think about what they are prescribing. Question everything.

  • Arrowhead
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    I was in a similar situation concerning a mammogram for my wife. I decided against it, telling them that breast cancer was the least of her worries. I have colon problems and have a colonoscopy every two years. In your husband's case, I don't see the point in having one. Even if they were to find cancer and could treat it, like you said, why prolong his suffering or yours either. Do what you feel is right.

  • marier
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    My DH had a liver transplant of 20 years ago. I stopped biopsies, ultrasounds and colonoscopies at stage 4 or 5. He now is at stage 7. He is 76 years old. I have continued with his other medication for diabetes, BP, anti- rejection and cholesterol.

  • debriesea
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    Along this thought of no medical treatment, our wonderful PCP has retired. We have upcoming “get acquainted” appointments with a new PCP. My DH is mid stage 5 and has a memory Dr to contact if I have issues with his ALZ/meds. My appointment is a month before his so I can get to know this Dr regarding ALZ. Does he need a PCP at this point?

  • JJ401
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    I have a family history of colon cancer, and have had polyps at every screening, so I have been on a frequent colonoscopy schedule. DH, on the other hand, has never had a polyp in any screening.

    DH’s PCP, at his yearly, mentioned that next year he’d need a colonoscopy. Thinking about getting him through the prep concerned me. So when I went to see my gastroenterologist I talked to him about the necessity of one. He said that with my DH’s age (over 75), history of no polyps, and dementia diagnosis he would not recommend a colonoscopy. The next time the PCP brought up a colonoscopy, I countered with that it was not recommended for those over 75 with no history of polyps, and the PCP dropped the issue.

Commonly Used Abbreviations


DH = Dear Husband
DW= Dear Wife, Darling Wife
LO = Loved One
ES = Early Stage
EO = Early Onset
FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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