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Anonymousjpl123
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MC just called. Long story short, reviewing progression, they want to put her on hospice care. It’s hard for me to not feel this is it. They explained it just means she’ll get. A lot more care. Thoughts?

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  • Anonymousjpl123
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    caveat: they did say hospice may decide she’s not ready, or she thrives with the extra services and comes off.

  • cdgbdr
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    It doesn't mean the end, only that the disease is progressing as expected. I would encourage you to be there at the hospice evaluation for understanding of what it means and how they help. It's one of those timepoints when the reality hits, and it hurts. Give yourself some time to process this and then do what is best. Prayers.

  • Quilting brings calm
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    edited July 24

    Hospice for PWD is different than for people with physical terminal conditions. It doesn’t mean that she has only six months. It means she needs extra help with multiple ADLs, is losing weight, falling, needs more visits by professional people etc.

    The nurse at the AL and I both agreed my mom needed that extra help. She didn’t qualify the first time she was evaluated. They reevaluated her two months later and she did.

    In our case, the problem came because the hospice agency doing that re-evaluation did it the day after the AL nurse left on a two week vacation. Even after I asked them to wait until the AL nurse got back. While the nurse was gone, some clueless AL staff member told she was on hospice. Mom decided that meant she was dying ( she wasn’t) and she made that a self fulfilling prophecy by stopping eating.
    There were people at moms’ AL who had been on hospice for much longer than six months. They were not considered to be dying.

  • Anonymousjpl123
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    Thank you both for your caring responses. @cdgbdr that is very similar to what the nurse said. It hit me harder than I expected, even though I was in the ER all day Sunday with her.

    @Quilting brings calm that is extremely helpful. I’m so sorry you and your mom had to go through that! It’s so hard when one clueless staff person can do so much damage. This really is a disease where it is incredibly easy to get it wrong, it seems. How is your mom doing now?

    I’m glad that they are taking such proactive care of her. It just caught me off guard. On Saturday, we had a lovely lunch at the nearby diner. It’s true she speaks garbled, can’t walk well, etc etc but it’s still hard to hear and she does have moments of lucidity.

  • ARIL
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    A few months ago my LOWD was quite ill, and I started learning more about hospice. What QBC says above is very sound.

    It seems that most families agree to hospice quite late, and thus real help that could have been in place earlier isn’t.

    Hospice is not a death sentence. A friend whose mom had dementia had two periods of being on hospice care in the two years prior to her eventual death. She was more comfortable during these times and got better. My friend found the hospice nurses to be very helpful and supportive.

    This is a hard journey, no doubt about that.

  • H1235
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    edited July 24

    When my mil was placed on hospice people tried to reassure us that it does not necessarily mean there is only 6 months left. Telling us she could still live for years. Mil had no quality of life, none. I loved my mil and did not find it reassuring that she could continue to suffer. I know it’s hard, but consider the quality of life she has, if she is miserable, the end may be a blessing. It may be time to let go. So sorry.

  • harshedbuzz
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    @Anonymousjpl123

    I am sorry you have reached this junction.

    Both of those sentiments are true to some degree.

    For the MCF to suggest hospice indicates they anticipate that she has reached a point in her progression to qualify. This, for family members, can be a sad and shocking milestone. It doesn't mean that death is imminent. My MIL was on hospice continuously for the final 5 1/2 years of her life, by dad managed to die hours after the suggestion was made to me after they were careful to assure me that death could be months or even a year away.

    The assertion that it means mom will "get a lot more care" leaves the quiet part unsaid. Hospice services are a necessary part of the business model of any MCF that truly allows residents to age-in-place. Hospice brings in extra help that Medicare funds rather than requiring family to hire additional aides to meet mom's need for enhanced care or raising monthly fees. IN addition to being an extras set of eyes and hands, that extra care should be delivered by professionals who have both experience and training in end-of-life care as it impacts both their patient and the family which can be a huge benefit for everyone.

    HB

  • Quilting brings calm
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    edited July 24

    @Anonymousjpl123


    Mom passed away about 5 weeks after she went on hospice. We are not sure ( and neither is hospice) of whether she just chose to quit eating and therefore got weaker and ‘was not eating enough to sustain life’ - or if she was really at the end of life after all and that’s why she quit eating. Hospice did not expect her to die when they accepted her to hospice. We had multiple chats about that. But when she basically stopped eating….

    She was an overly anxious person and she just talked herself into thinking she was dying and we couldn’t talk her out of it.

  • Anonymousjpl123
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    Thank you everyone for confirming what I have come to realize. Yes, she was approved today and yes, they basically said as much @harshedbuzz (not the quiet part out loud, but the gist of it) and also that she may “bounce back” from this and come off, go back on. The hospice place has worked with the MC closely for years so they seem to have this worked out.

    It’s just a new part of the journey. I hate that I get so jarred by it all, but that’s life. Part of what’s hard is I’m basically managing it all on my own. I do have friends I can talk to, this community, lots of resources so I need to count my blessings. It’s still exhausting.

  • psg712
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    So sorry that your mom is at this point. I hope you will find some extra support for yourself through hospice too. Please keep us updated.

    I have been considering hospice for my mom too, as a way of preventing repeated ER visits for what basically amounts to a failure to thrive. Mom's MCF admins tell me that she "isn't to that point yet". But I at least accepted a palliative care consult for her to help us evaluate and bridge that gap.

  • Anonymousjpl123
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    @psg712 my sense with MC’s is that they make these decisions based on a set of specific check marks.

    But ultimately, I think that’s exactly why MC put my mom on hospice - to avert more ER visits (and of course the increasing frequency and severity of her falls, weight loss, refusing care/meds). But this paints a picture of a depressed and frail woman, which isn’t how she presents to my eye. If you asked me, before Sunday, I would have said she was “not at that point yet.”

    I think she may be an on again/off again person. But I will say the wheelchair is a problem. She is pissed about it. Has your mom considered it? These falls and ER visits are the worst.

  • Anonymousjpl123
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    @Quilting brings calm i told the hospice I really don’t want my mom to know she’s on it. She’s also very anxious although also stubborn as all get out: it’s hard for me to know how this will go. I feel like your mom’s story is everyone’s story in a way. How do we know what caused what? I just know I don’t want my mom to suffer. I also don’t want to write her off too soon. I guess that’s the tightrope we walk.

  • SDianeL
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    Hospice provides so many things in addition to extra care for the patient. They have counselors, chaplains and are very knowledgeable about people with dementia. Your Mom may get better and come off hospice or she may need to remain on it. Talk to the hospice nurses if you have any questions or concerns. They are wonderful. 🙏💜

  • Rob's Daughter
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    The hospice team, that cares for both my mom and Dad are wonderful. My Dad has been on hospice since June of 2023 and my Mom since April of 2024. I feel like there is just an extra set of eyes from the additional aids and NP seeing my parents. They provided Broda chairs as well as hospital beds for their comfort and care, even a Hoyer lift. I really appreciate the calls from the NP as well as the Social Worker and Chaplin. Wonderful people… that have really helped me with my thoughts and concerns…. during this horrible journey.

  • mandajean
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    if she’s in a facility or at homeshe will get visits from hospice nurse.if she’s at home hospice does provide numerous services. My mom is stage 5/6 ALZ and she is on Hospice. It has helped! They can see when meds needs to be adjusted, pick up on things you don’t.

  • psg712
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    My mom has been working with PT to improve balance and gait in her walker. She seems to have benefited from the therapy for now, which is another reason we haven't gone with hospice yet. But if she would start having more frequent falls, I will definitely consider the wheelchair.

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DH = Dear Husband
DW= Dear Wife, Darling Wife
LO = Loved One
ES = Early Stage
EO = Early Onset
FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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