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Lithium to treat AD?

LBC83
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Today a front-page article in the Washington Post is titled "Lithium a potential for treating Alzheimers." The gist of the research with mice is that Lithium plays a key role in the brain function. Their research shows that amyloid plaques trap and remove Lithium, which is bad thing. They provided mice with Lithium orate in their water, and that "reversed the disease-related damage and restored memory function, even in older mice with advanced disease." The next step would be clinical trials in humans. Below is a link to the online summary of the Harvard research.

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  • Fraga
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    Thanks for posting LBC83. I also read the article and have already ordered the supplement from Amazon. There is no harm in taking it (I hope), and we shall see.
  • Dorse
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    So much to process with an Alzheimer's diagnosis. I have been having a very difficult time of deciding if I should get the Kisunla infusion.

  • lfaust58
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    I would highly recommend Lequmbii

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  • LBC83
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    I was not recommending that anybody start on Lithium treatments. First off, the article notes that the specific version used in the trial was Lithium orotate. I am not sure if that is available commercially. Second, the dosage used was 1/1000 of the dosage of Lithium currently used to treat bipolar disorder, and that the higher dosages currently used for treatment can be toxic. Third, the article quotes a researcher stating "You have to be careful about extrapolating from mouse models, and you never know until you try it in a controlled human clinical trial." So it would be wise to wait until a controlled trial is completed before anyone starts taking Lithium supplements.

    I recently had my 30th infusion of Leqembi (a monoclonal antibody targeting amyloid plaque and amyloid protofibrils) as treatment for my MCI, with zero side effects. At the Alzheimer's Association International Conference (AAIC) in Toronto last week, Eisai presented the latest information about the effectivity of Leqembi. One chart stated that Eisai found in a study of real-world application of Leqembi since FDA approval, about 84% of the people on Leqembi remained stable or clinically improved. The definition of "remaining stable" is not progressing from MCI to mild dementia, or from mild AD to more severe dementia.

    The other monoclonal antibody now available is Kisunla. Eli Lilly presented results at AAIC from the clinical trial, showing 27% of those on Kisunla progressed to the next stage of disease, compared to 39% on placebo.

    So either Kisunla or Leqemb reduces the risk of progressing to the next stage of AD. There are risks with these drugs (such as ARIA, and infusion-related reactions). Thus each patient must compare the risks with the possible rewards by taking the drugs.

  • Dorse
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    How do we know WHAT to believe?? I was recently diagnosed with Alzheimer's. I have done so much research on the two Lilly infusions. My questions: Side effects? How do we know how much the Alzheimer's disease would have progressed, or not, without any infusion??? So many unknowns to all of this. Let's say at the end of 18 months on the infusions the Alzheimer's has not progressed? How do we know that it would not have progressed without the infusion??? I am 80, and with a very slow progression, what would be the point of having the infusions not knowing what side effects we could encounter??? To many unanswered questions. I'm leaning toward not having Kisunla injection.

  • lfaust58
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    Dorse-

    I'm coming up on my 12th infusion of lequmbi. Only major side effects were after my 1st one: Tiredness, instability in walking, and diarrhea. Gradually, all but the diarrhea faded out. Has your doctor run a genetic test? Patients having either 1 or 2 copies of the APOE gene have an increased chance of ARIA. This true no matter if you use Lequmbi or kisunla. Ask and trust your doctor. I'm satisfied with Lequmbi.

    Larry

  • LBC83
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    edited August 9

    I was in attendance at the Alzheimer's Association International Conference (AAIC) in Toronto last week, along with about 20,000 other participants. I got to hear the lastest results from the two drugs currently on the market to reduce amyloid: Leqembi (produced by a partnership between Eisai & Biogen), and Kisunla (sold by Eli Lilly). There were some updates to the reported frequencies of side effects, but the general story remains unchanged. Namely, some people develop something called ARIA, which is a pleasant term for a not very pleasant response (brain swelling and/or bleeding). In most cases, ARIA develops with no symptoms (people don't know they have it until one of the check-up MRIs regularly scheduled after starting treatment shows signs of ARIA). When ARIA does develop, it tends to go away by itself when treatment is paused. Lots of people have infusion-related reactions, things like headaches, and shaking / chills. These can be controlled for in future infusions by taking medications to mitigate the infusion-related reactions. Less common infusion-related reactions include nausea, vomitting, fever, and diarrhea.

    Alzheimer's Disease is generally characterized as a slow reduction in cognitive decline over time. At AAIC, Eisai presented real-world data on post-FDA approval of Leqembi from diverse US clinical settings. The average patient age was 74, with 51% of the people they studied 75-84 and 4% over 85. They reported that about 84% of the patients on Leqembi either remained stable or clinically improved. It is easy to answer the question about how the group would have declined had they not been on Leqembi. In the Phase 3 trials for Leqembi & Kisunla, about 1/2 the people were taking the active drug and the other half were taking a placebo. In general, those on placebo had declines in cogniton during the trial as they were not taking any active drug for Alzheimer's. The effectiveness of Leqembi & Kisunla in their respective Phase 3 trials was establishing by comparing the cognitive decline of those taking the active drug with those on placebo. The average person receiving Leqembi or Kisunla had slower cognitive decline compared to the average person not taking an active drug.

    Eli Lilly presented different data for Kisunla. They calculated something called meaningful within-patient cognitive change. This is their way of estimating the cognitive decline of any one particular individual taking Kisunla, versus if they let nature take its course. They found that over 76 weeks, someone taking Kisunla had a 38% lower risk of meaningful within-patient change over 76 weeks. Another way to state this statistic is that Kisunla reduces your risk of having a reduction in cognition over 76 weeks. Ideally, it would be nice if there was a magical drug that could cure AD. But today, all we have are medications that can reduce your risk of cognitive decline.

    I compare the question of starting on Leqembi or Kisunla to gambling at Las Vegas. I am not a gambler myself, but for those who enjoying feeding slot machines, I presume they are hoping they will hit the jackpot and fly home from Vegas with $1M (less a bunch Uncle Sam will collect in taxes). For those of us diagnosed with AD, the question is whether we want to let the disease follow its natural progression, with the cognitive decline we all have seen in our friends & loved ones with late stage Alzheimer's, or try one of the new drugs which have demonstrated in clinical trials that they slow the progression of the disease. For me personally, it was an easy question to answer, I didn't hesitate to start on Leqembi. I was aware of the risks, but I was confident that my Neurologist and the infusion center could handle any situation that might arise. I have been one of the lucky ones, I have had zero reactions to my infusions (I just had my 30th infusion, I started over a year ago). I walk out of the infusion center feeling exactly the same as walking into the infusion center, and go on with my day with normal activities.

  • Fraga
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    Has anyone here started their LO on Lithium orotate? It would be good to keep everyone updated on any empirical observations.

  • LBC83
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    Perhaps I should not have posted the article about Lithium Orotate. It never occurred to me that anybody would consider taking such a drug based on a trial with mice. I apologize for my ignorance. I was trying to offer hope for the future, with the possible option of volunteering for a future clinical study with Lithium Orotate for those with a very high risk tolerance and willing to serve as test subjects.

    There is an annual paper listing all of the Alzheimer's drugs undergoing clinical trials in the U.S. The 2025 edition listed 138 drugs being assessed in 182 clinical trials. These trials are easily searchable on the clinicaltrials.gov website. Again, I don't understand why anybody would discount these 138 drugs that were approved for a clinical trial by the FDA, and instead take a drug that is in the early research stages and has only been tested with mice.

  • Fraga
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    Because we don't have any other hope is why. All these studies are for early detection, which my LO is not. The dose of lithium orotate suggested is 1mg a day, which is barely nothing. I have found no evidence to suggest any issues with the supplement. I do plan on having her blood checked for any dangerous levels. This is risk vs. reward and I and her family are willing to take it. I'm sure there are a lot of cases where people will try it. We don't have any other hope. You did not influence our decision in the slightest.

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