New stage?



Mom states she had been having urinary urgency for the past 2 weeks. She denies any known symptoms of an UTI. She has an upcoming appointment with a urologist nonetheless.
Last week, she was mortified when she did not make it to the toilet in time, ending up having her bladder totally emptying itself on the floor of her IL facility's meeting room, bathroom.
On the weekend, she spent a few hours in the ER as she slipped, and face planted on the concrete while taking her daily walk.
I previously pegged her to be in the midst of stage 5. Does anyone believe these two incidents could just be coincidences or are they more likely to be indicative of her transitioning to the next stage? Personally, I fear the latter. š
Was your LO's transition through the stages, observable or subtleāļø
Both incidences were traumatic enough for her that I fear they will be the root cause for her to self-isolate in her apartment.
I can not believe that hose 2 incidences could be all that is needed to undo a year's worth of my encouraging her to socialize and participate in activities. This is truly breaking my heart. š
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urinary incontinence can happen in the elderly or at any stage of dementia. Signals to and from her brain donāt connect. Has she been tested for a UTI? If not I would start there. She may not be aware of symptoms. I would get her to wear depends. They also make liners for them that will prevent leaks. If she is walking by herself maybe itās time for someone to go with her. She could wander off. Progression is unique to each PWD and it can be steady or stair steps. If you are with her all the time you should observe behaviors. But behaviors can show up and then pause. Someone posted that itās like the wires in their brain have a short and sometimes connect making their caregiver question the diagnosis. Is she in assisted living? If so I would alert the caregivers of your 2 concerns. Is it time for a walker? Falls are common in dementia and she could break her hip.
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Didnāt the ER test her for a UTI while she was there? Even if they did, she could still have a UTI. However you are not mentioning any added confusion or lack of orientation. Thatās a common UTI symptom in the elderly or those with dementia.
Incontinence is part of dementia progression. Mobility issues that occur with the elderly or dementia doesnāt help because it takes them longer to get to the bathroom. Itās best to encourage her to wear depends rather than to try to move faster or recognize her urges sooner.Falls also seem to be common with the elderly or dementia. It does take time to recognize when our loved one is progressing as it can be subtle slow changes.
Independent living seems unwise for a person in stage 5. Assisted living is better equipped to handle their increasing needs. Although even AL canāt handle a PWD in stage 6 or later.
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@JulietteBee
Often elderly women, even without dementia, have UTIs without the usual symptoms. That said, often there is a change in mental status or demeanor that is striking. I would not wait for a urology appointment for this, but would ask her PCP to order a test. If you can get a clean catch at the facility, you won't even need to transport her to the lab.
Have you noticed a sudden change in her demeanor or striking change in cognition? Did the ER do a urinalysis? IME, mom was in the ED 7 times in the last year (2 UTIs, 4 pneumonias and 1 sepsis) they often do.
Or it could be that this is the start of urinary incontinence related to dementia. It generally starts with occasional accidents before becoming the new baseline. Sometime bedwetting will happen for a time before daytime accidents. Often you'd see missed steps in bathroom hygieneā flushing, incomplete wiping, disposal of used TP in the trash or left on the sink and skipped handwashing. Since you don't live with her, you may not be privvy to this happening.
Falls are also common in the elderly. Sometimes mechanical falls can be the result of muscle weakness unrelated to dementia. But they can also result from impair spatial reasoning, visual processing issues and lack of focus related to dementia. A UTI that exacerbated her dementia symptoms would increase the risk of a fall, so they could be related. Or maybe not. It's very hard to parse out.
The transition between stages can be striking or subtle. With dad, who had Alzheimer's as his primary diagnosis, the decline was slower and steadier. My aunt who had vascular dementia had more of a stair-step progression where she'd have a long plateau in one stage and wake up one day in a completely different one. Sometimes an illness or injury can fast-forward a PWD through stages; another aunt broke a hip in stage 4 cusp of 5 which left her in stage 7 overnight.
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Thank you for your response.
No, she has no symptoms of a UTI. She has had in the past so she knows what to look for.
Her only complaint is that by the time she got the urge to go, she went.
I see her 2-3 times per week but have not seen any decline in cognition/memory in the recent past.
She typically walks with a friend or a group. I guess no one was available so she went by herself. I bought her a walker but she has never had to use it. It may now be time to have that conversation.š
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No, the ER did not check her for a UTI. She never told them anything about having urgency. As she was brought in via ambulance for a head injury, ruling out an intracranial bleed was apparently their priority and hers.
She has had no increased confusion or memory loss. She also has no complaints of any other symptom of a UTI.
To try to prevent self-isolation from embarrassment, and to get back to socializing, I bought her a 3-pack "waterproof" panties. I agree that I'd rather her wearing something than try to walk faster and fall.
I may be wrong with the use of the staging tool, but I said 5 because she shows more signs found in 5 than in 4. The new incontinence and fall made me query if that was what would indicate she is entering/has entered stage 6.
She is still very independent that I think a move to an AL may currently be premature, but it is certainly not out of the equation if in fact she is subtly transitioning.
I'm watching her now like a hawk.š
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No, no changes in mentation or level of orientation. She has also not had any other complaint which could point one in the direction of thinking it is a UTI.
The ER did not do a urinalysis. Paramedics brought her in with a head injury. Whether she forgot to mention it, I do not know, but they focused on doing 2 stat CTs to ensure no facial bone fractures or intracranial bleed, as she is on blood thinners.
I do plan on asking her if she has had any nighttime accidents. Funny, I never associated her forgetting to flush the toilet as a dementia issue. I thought it was just, you know, "saving water."
I have noticed her gait has changed over the past few months, and I have pointed it out to her. She is now leading ever so slightly forward and dragging her feet. I too fear that future falls may become common.
She does have Vascular Dementia and I can definitely appreciate the analogy of "stair-step." As I've said elsewhere, her words & actions, when on a plateau is so incredibly "normal" that it makes me think that her dementia is a figment of my imagination.
Thank you for the insight.
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