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When Hospice?

Lisa21
Lisa21 Member Posts: 2
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How early is too early for hospice? My LO has been in a MCF almost a year- is physically mobile (seeks exit & agitated due to sundowning increase) - capable of feeding & toileting herself. Also very depressed, cries much of the day and won’t socialize even though capable. Medication changes haven’t helped with her increasing depression and random aggression. I don’t see her as “near end of life” nor does her PCP, but I’m wondering if the additional care hospice could provide with visits would be beneficial & available at this stage? Your experiences?

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  • trottingalong
    trottingalong Member Posts: 723
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    Hospice would deny you care/help. They are for end stage and your DW would not be considered that. My MIL was bed ridden, couldn’t speak or comprehend anything. But her body was very healthy. Hospice finally came in when she began having more and more difficulty swallowing. By that time she had been immobile for two years. My FIL did create a system to get her out of bed and into her wheelchair daily, but she was incapable of doing anything on her own.

  • Chammer
    Chammer Member Posts: 199
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    Palliative care is another option to consider. And you can have a hospice evaluate your DW and see what they say about admitting her to hospice.

  • Vitruvius
    Vitruvius Member Posts: 396
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    You can always request a hospice evaluation but I suspect your LO would not be accepted. Hospice is largely for physical decline, not mental decline or emotional/behavioral issues. My DW has been on hospice for over two years now and is very, very near the bitter end, Stage 7f, of this awful disease. The primary benefit has been additional nursing oversight and the hospice doctor who is very familiar with dementia patients. They provide aides with useful expertise in bathing and feeding. They do also provide additional services, like a music therapist, and a social worker, which is nice but not essential to her care. Hospice also means that you agree that your LO will generally not be provided with restorative medical care, just palliative care for medical conditions that could lead to your LO’s passing.

  • BPS
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    The Memory care facility my wife is in is having someone to come in Wednesday to talk about Palliative care. I don't know much about it but I don't think it is designed for the last 6 months of life. I will post something after the meeting if I get any good information.

  • Quilting brings calm
    Quilting brings calm Member Posts: 2,893
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    Ask to have her evaluated. My mom was denied the first time she was evaluated. However they called two months later to reevaluate her. They’d had placed her on a two month re-check when evaluating her. It was questionable whether she would be accepted that second time, but she was.

    Mom was in a AL. She used a walker, fed herself. She did need help showering ( direction I think). She was incontinent. The staff helped her pick out her clothes/ but I know she could dress herself because I had seen her do it. She had recently been put on oxygen.

    The hospice nurse did not expect her to die in six months. The reason she was out on hospice is because she needed extra help and would benefit from hospice visits. Unfortunately mom did die a few weeks later because she quit eating once she found out she was on hospice. We could not convince her that she wasn’t dying.

    When you have her evaluated, do not sugar coat things to the intake nurse. If you occasionally have to help with something / then you describe it as having to help with something. The staff member who helped answer questions the first evaluation kept saying mom did things herself. The staff member the second time was more experienced and told the unvarnished truth. ‘I have to tell her to use soap in the shower’ etc.

  • Scooterr
    Scooterr Member Posts: 197
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    My DW has been on hospice care since the end of January 2025. She is very mobile, still has a appetite, (although I have to feed her), nonverbal, incontinent, and some other issues (but still a joy to care for somedays LOL). Besides all of that, she is healthy and is late stage 6 sometimes bouncing into early stage 7. I have her here at home with me and of course I do everything. Where we live which is in OK there seems to have been a shift in hospice. Hospice was always considered the very end of life. Now especially with dementia patience they can come in a lot sooner. In my case I wish I had called them sooner. I truly believe it was the best decision I've done through this whole process. Hospice comes 3Xweek for 2hrs a visit, which gives me time to reset. There are patience in our area with dementia who have been with hospice for 5 to 6 yrs. now. Good luck what ever you decide.

  • BPS
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    I went to a small meeting with a speaker talking about hospice and palliative care at the MC that my wife is in. I was a little disappointed in what she said about palliative care. She said what they do is support the team already in place through digital means, that after the evaluation there wouldn't be any dr or nurse that would regularly see her. They do provide a social worker, which I don't know what that would do. She did say that if my wife met the criteria she could get hospice care. That the idea of it being for the last 6 months of life is not gone by for people with dementia as long as they meet the other criteria. I am considering it just to get a different dr or nurse to come to treat her. The one that comes to that facility is not very good and the in-house nurse is rarely available or even on site and never on the floor and it would be almost impossible to get my wife in and out of the car. I would have to rent a wheelchair accessible van every time she went to the doctor.

  • Traveler18
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    I am at this same cross-road. My DH has been in MC since March (5 months) and has declined significantly. His step is now a small shuffle of about 1-2" at a time and it is a long walk from his room to his dining/common area. The decline has been swift and I am unclear how much may be medication-induced and how much is disease progression. In talking with the dr. (online through a portal, of course), we have to choose 1) PT/OT for mobility and his dropped head syndrome (which developed over the past couple of months) or 2) a hospice evaluation. I consulted with our daughter, who is a pharmacist, and we decided to work with the dr. to reduce the medication load and see if we can get the PT/OT lined up - which has been hard to do for someone with dementia. We will take one good effort to see if he can recover some mobility and stamina. In our case, the dr. didn't think DH would qualify for hospice at first, but as she charted today, she saw that he has lost nearly 10% of his weight over this time period, including 10 pounds in the past 2 months, so he is getting close to qualifying. From the other comments, it sounds like there may be some varied interpretations across states. For us it is 6-mo projected end of life or other key indicators like dementia with weight loss or some other factors.

    With hospice, there are advantages - seems like nicer equipment, more support staff and 1:1 care, but also some trade-offs - significant reduction in medications as they focus the efforts on comfort versus life-extending (e.g., likely to stop a statin), likely a change to their care provider, and no resources to help improve any mobility/skills, just providing comfort to the end.

Commonly Used Abbreviations


DH = Dear Husband
DW= Dear Wife, Darling Wife
LO = Loved One
ES = Early Stage
EO = Early Onset
FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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