What do I do?
I am not sure where to start…
I waited a year for DH to have an MRI. The results mention the word dementia but all the other medical language concludes with “not significant “ . We have not seen the neurologist yet. That is two months away. His behaviors continue to be concerning. He didn’t know how to use a credit card at the gas pump, he didn’t know how to use a dispenser in a grocery store, leaves stove on…
1. What should be my questions for the neurologist?
2. Individuals at church see him for one hour and are unaware of any cognitive issue,so he has been given duties and responsibilities that I am concerned he cannot fulfill. I don’t want to share his medical information but i don’t know what to do.
3. I feel depressed. I have never felt this way before. I am beginning to think it is because if the unexpected responsibility of navigating DH health concerns. I am not opposed to seeing a counselor for me. Just not sure it will help.
Thanks for letting me vent.
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welcome to group best thing I did 3 yrs ago. That being said Nurologist is first thing to address , too bad taking so long for appointment but they are all like that.
Your DH isn’t going to understand what’s wrong , but if church activities a concern I’d let them know. If you can beg to see Nurologist sooner do so or get on a waiting list for cancellation. As far as you as ask Dr for something to ease your frustration, I’m taking Zoloft and has helped me tremendously. Definitely see an older care attorney and things in order. As far as Nurologist goes I’d write my concerns and his behavior in a letter and hand to assistant the day of appointment speaking in front of him will upset him, it’s 3 yrs and my wife still gets pissed off. Once he test him with questions he’ll know , try not to let him drive , that’s the hardest too do. Stay on this site it’s your life line. Keep the faith , we all in this nitemare together7 -
@MobbyGirl
Being caregiver is difficult at all stages. This stage— when there are obvious and significant changes in capacity but no diagnosis or medical guidance on things like driving or finances— can be especially hard for a caregiver.
Trust your gut. Whatever the MRI shows or doesn't show, more about that later, he's clearly impaired to a significant degree based on your description. One of the realities of dementia is that it's about so much more than just lost memories. Early on there are significant losses around social filter, executive function, empathy, reasoning skills and ability to learn new information. There's also the concept of showtiming which is when a PWD is able to temporarily hold it together and appear to be their formerly reliable and capable selves. This may explain why the folks at church are seeing a different version than you do at home.
At this point, you're stuck in a place where you need to manage harm prevention discretely even though you don't yet have a firm diagnosis. Much havoc can be wreaked in this stage. Not only have you assumed the responsibility of navigating the medical aspects of dementia, but you are also now in charge of protecting your DH's reputation and financial stability of your household.
During this pre-diagnosis phase of dad's dementia, he managed to burn through social groups in 2 states with his unfiltered talk and behavior, he lost $360K day-trading because mom didn't want to keep him off the internet, and he was impulsive making promises and spending freely.
The MRI can be useful in the diagnostic process; it can rule out tumors or strokes, and structural changes can support one kind of dementia over others. That said, the more important thing is what you're seeing in his symptoms and behaviors.
A therapist could be very useful for you. Just make sure you find someone who understands dementia as so many really don't and will offer strategies that are not appropriate to your situation.
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I'm not very far ahead of you on this journey. We just saw DH's neurologist a week ago. Technically, this was DH's third neurologist. The first neurologist was one DH's PCP referred us to. He was downright rude… for example, DH was describing symptoms and repeated himself (symptom!) and the neurologist became impatient, putting his hand up (like a talk-to-the-hand move) and told DH to be quiet. Then, we found a "reputable" neurologist who said DH was experiencing "normal aging" (in spite of a list of behaviors that were clearly out of the realm of "normal").
After that appointment, we found a neurologist at a teaching university and waited months to see him. In those months, DH's condition progressed. While DH's behaviors, and the months of wait, were overwhelming, DH's progression made it much easier for the new neurologist to quickly recognize his amnestic MCI ("with concern for Alzheimer's").
During this nearly two-year process, I found a counselor for myself, which was my best first move. I called a local office and asked to be placed with a counselor who would have some experience treating a caregiver, especially one who is caring for a person with dementia. My counselor has been a blessing. She helps me deal with my own anxiety/panic and all the feelings that come with this experience. Finding her was like putting on my oxygen mask first before helping others.
Another thing I have done that was invaluable is journaling DH's concerning behaviors (putting power steering fluid into the brake line; repeating questions/comments over and over in a short period of time; forgetting going to a recent funeral or wedding; struggling to write checks or pay bills, etc). Before DH's most recent neurology appointment, I copied and pasted my 2 years of journaling into ChatGPT and it helped me pull out the most concerning/applicable symptoms, summarize them, and create a bulleted list for the neurologist, including progression over time (all of my journal entries were dated).
It was my counselor who suggested that I join ALZConnected. I came here for months before ever posting a comment. At first, I read the experiences of others and it gave me a sense of relief to know that I was not the only person feeling these things and facing this challenge. When I finally started asking questions or making comments, it has helped tremendously. It is good to get some insight as to what is coming, while also getting great advice as to how to deal with current circumstances.
I'm so sorry for you that you are taking this journey with us, but we are here alongside you, some of us coaching, some of us commiserating, some of us looking to you for insight as well.
All my best to you,
Gram
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Thanks folks. I read your comments and all I could do was cry. I don’t know who you are but please know that you are a tremendous help and blessing to me.
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Regarding church responsibilities, is there perhaps one person at your church in proximity to DH who you can share this information with in confidence? Having an extra set of eyes on him could be of benefit. For me it was very daunting to have to open up to people about DW's condition. However I found some people reacted in the most remarkably supportive manner. I have really been impressed with the ability of some people to step up and provide meaningful assistance once they had a clear view of what was going on. However it started with having to deal with the vulnerability that I was feeling. Trust and vulnerability are two sides of the same coin.
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I understand the frustration of waiting seemingly forever for the doctors to provide information. I do want to warn you that, while some here have reported getting useful information from the neurologist, it is pretty uncommon for neurologists or most other folks in healthcare to have useful information about day-to-day functioning. This website is the only place for a lot of that information, along with a couple of books (like The 36-hour Day).
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First off, so sorry you are walking this road with us here. I hope your experience with neurologists is different than ours but we had a completely wrong diagnosis of normal pressure hydrocephaly from the first neurologist; the second one “fired us” because we asked “too many questions”. DH was finally diagnosed after thorough exams (spinal tap, MRI, blood work, cognitive functioning exams ) at Massachusetts General Memory Clinic after a six month wait for an appointment and traveling 1500 miles three times.
Since then, we have found that neither the primary care physician or the neurologist have much to offer as to care. DH takes Donepezil and Memantine which does no harm (evidently) but nor is it proven to help. DH thinks it is a cure, so why cloud over his rainbow?
I get my help here. I get my support here. I hope it helps you too because caregivers need all the help they can find.6 -
I get the frustration. DH began complaining to our PCP about having issues with his memory in 2019. I didn’t notice anything and thought it was stress related from a super busy work life. We went to a neurologist in 2021. It was impossible to get timely visits so we went to the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio. They had suspected diagnosis but nothing confirmed. We finally got a diagnosis this year.
Suggested tests would be an Amyloid PET scan to confirm or rule out Alzheimer’s. If that is negative then ask for a FDG PET scan. This one would show more data to confirm or rule out FTD.
Do not delay finding an Elder Care attorney. They can help with a couple things headed down the road, in addition to determining power of attorney for both medical or medical.
I did not have enough money to even consider Medicaid but it is a benefit to live on
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you have received great info already so I’ll just add a couple of things that will help while you wait for the Neurologist appt: make a detailed list of his behaviors. Get it to the Neurologist before the appt. Your husband may deny the behaviors. Meanwhile get to an Elder Care Attorney and get DpOA, Medical POA and HIPPA forms and give to all his healthcare providers. Make sure wills are up to date. If you can explain the situation to the attorney before the appt I would do so. Read the book “The 36 Hour Day” now and search online for dementia caregiving videos by Tam Cummings or Teepa Snow. Bookmark them for later. Come here often for info and support. We know how you feel. 💜
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When mom was finally diagnosed the neurologist said she should not drive and should not live alone. She also recommended we see a lawyer right away. We were told about a dementia workshop offered at the hospital which I attended (pretty basic stuff). Most everything else I learned on this website. I feel very fortunate the doctor told her not to drive or live alone. These issues would were made slightly easier being that we could blame it on the doctor. It also stopped me from second guessing myself and took away some of the guilt knowing the doctor said she couldn’t do these things. If he has a patient portal you can use, that is a great way to ask the doctor questions without upsetting your husband (at note works too). I think some (maybe even most) are hesitant to say no driving, no being left alone in the house. It still might be worth a try to ask about some of these difficult things.
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Great information from all and I will just offer this. You are likely the only person who sees the full extent of your loved one's changes because others see them in brief visits, including the doctors. I found the neurologist was almost completely dependent on the psych study done which identified MCI. Following visits were brief and not very helpful because he had no frame of reference of her normal behavior. Her primary care doctor had seen her many times over years and had a much better view of her changes. If you find yourself in a similar situation, you might reach out to a doctor who really knows your loved one to provide input to others. I am sorry but I tend to have little faith in the "tests" done as helpful evidence of what is happening. My loved one's behaviors all day long were a better indicator of her condition and progress. Her medical tests never indicated a problem but she left us in August, so I darn well know there was a problem well before.
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I am sorry you are here. Along with an MRI, a PET scan and extensive cognitive testing are necessary for a diagnosis. There are also blood tests available that diagnose Alzheimer’s disease. If there is a Mayo Clinic near you, ask for a referral for the HABIT Program. It is an excellent program for MCI and dementia patients and caregivers. They will train you in Brain HQ online brain games that have restored my husband’s focus and executive function that he lost. You can purchase the training without the Mayo program. There is a lot of research on plant based diets and lifestyle changes to slow progression. Look at Dr. Dean Ornish’s program. He has clinical trials that slowed progression, and in some cases, restored lost function. See an Elder Law Attorney immediately to get legal affairs in order. Give a copy of your POA and medical directives to your loved one’s pcp. Get HIPPA forms signed to give you full access to doctors. Put TILE trackers on keys, wallet, phone. It also tracks the person. Contact your car insurance company and ask if an accident is covered with this diagnosis. Many will not cover an accident. You can get sued for everything you own. There are companies that will certify if you are capable of driving after a three hour test. If your loved one is driving, do this immediately. MCI and dementia impacts driving. Get accounts, log ins and passwords for all accounts, computers, phone. You will have to take over all finances. Put bills on auto pay. Call your financial broker, attorney, accountant and ask what you need to do now. Put a plan b in place for who would care for your loved one if something happened to you. This should involve touring assisted living/memory care facilities and getting on a waitlist. Take care of yourself.
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FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
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