Seroquel for non violent delusions
My parent is having non violent delusions for the past 6 weeks. She lives in memory care and is mid stage. Her mood overall is good and these delusions do not cause significant agitation but they can be upsetting to her in a normal way. Ie if she thinks someone passed away she will be sad they have passed.
Examples of these delusions include thinking people have passed away recently who haven't, thinking she was supposed to get married and thinking she ia inheriting a large sum of money. These delusions are happening daily and she keeps the same elaborate stories across time.
the psychiatric nurse practitioner recommended 25 mg seroquel twice a day. Thoughts on this? My main concern is the st her mood is actually good overall so I don't want the medication to impact her overall mood or make her sedated. Also she isn't agitated at this point but this could change.
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Even if the delusions are not causing her to be agitated and visibly upset they may still be causing her problems. She may not be expressing (or even hiding) -her grief, that she is feeling overwhelmed, or that she is worried in some way about these delusions. Is she one to keep her worries and emotions private? If sundowning is involved it’s possible things hit her harder in the evenings when family is no there to see her. I think it might not hurt to see how she does on the seroquel. Keep in mind it can take a week or more to take full effect.
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My hesitation is in part because seroquel is not fda approved for people with dementia. I'm unsure how big of an issue this is.
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Seroquel seems to be commonly prescribed for people with dementia—at least I have seen a lot about it on this site.
My dad in MC has been taking it for several months to manage agitation, and it does seem to have helped without noticeable side effects—although he is anxious on the best days, so the meds have not fundamentally altered anything, just taken the edge off. I was worried about his taking it at first but have become less worried over time.
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Does your dad seem more sedated on it? What is the dosing? I'm a little worried about it bc my parent isn't agitated or violent so I want to make sure the benefits outweigh the risks. Or if there is a safer better non sedating alternative I would like to look into this.
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You could try starting with just 25 mg/day and see how it goes. If she seems woozy or sedated, she can always stop taking it. We had the same concerns when we started my mom on it but she’s been fine.
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My dad is on the same dosage as AmandaF mentions: 25mg/day. No obvious sedation or wooziness.
Maybe you should talk to the NP again, express your concerns, and ask what the goals are for medicating your mom this way. The NP should be able to explain.
Good luck!
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25 mg once daily is a low dose. I would try it to see how she does. You can search this forum for Seroquel. And read all the old posts if you want. The search thingy is at the top of the page.
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That’s such a difficult decision. Meds like this can help some people, but your concern about side effects is very valid. Hopefully others here can share how it affected their loved ones.
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I did search old posts but it seems like mixed reviews and it makes me wonder if the issue has to do with dose. And I wonder if there is a better medication out there for her. That being said a psychiatric nurse practitioner who visits the memory care facility regulate recommended it so the recommendation is coming from someone who has expertise with this population.
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Yeah… it's just hard to know and it's not an emergency per se but she is suffering delusions which she finds very sad and it could escalate so I'm just unsure but I hope to talk with the person who recommended it.
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@Merla
A couple of thoughts.
Seroquel, along with the other atypical antipsychotic medications, does carry a Black Box Warning for increased risk (I've seen 1.7 times vs placebo) of death. The increase seems to be around cardiovascular events or infection.
That said, Rexulti does have FDA approval for use in dementia and carries the same Black Box Warning. The difference is that Rexulti did the required trials to get the dementia indication and the makers of Seroquel did not as it is already available as a generic so the investment in getting the FDA approval would be pointless.
Any medication decision needs to be made in the context of a PWD having a terminal illness. If she has delusions, she's likely mid to late stage with a life expectancy that reflects that.
Do the delusions distress her? I can appreciate that it is hard to have the same loop of nonsense conversation with your LO, but if she's looking forward to her wedding or dreaming of what she'll do with her money maybe it's best to join her there. Of course, if she's fretting that she was jilted or thinks someone is trying to take her inheritance that's different. Who brought up the delusions? Is it something you brought up with her team, or did they bring it up? Once a PWD moves into care, sometimes they will showtime for their close family.
Has the NP offered or trialed any other medications? If this is an anxiety driven behavior for her, an SSRI might help. The downside here is that this class of medication can take about 6 weeks you know what sort of benefit it offers her. It has to be increased slowly and weaned slowly if discontinued. The atypical antipsychotics do start to work faster with full therapeutic effect in a month and can be discontinued without weaning down.
Dad's delusions were mostly benign or even pleasant but earlier they were awful for him and, by extension, my mom. He did fixate at times about who was alive vs dead. His reactions seemed very different than the PWD who broke down upon hearing of death of a parent decades ago as if it was the first time. He seemed kind of flat emotionally about the deaths of even people close to him; it was like he was taking attendance. When he could recall that my younger sister (his favorite human ever after himself) had, in fact, died he was oddly blase about it. IRL, her death broke him and caused the spiral that led to his ARD diagnosis.
We did opt to give dad Seroquel for his agitation. He started with 25 mg in the evening which reduced his sundowning and led to less fractured sleep. After 6 months, he started to take a second 25mg with breakfast to tamp down the sundowning which was starting earlier in the day. We did notice that it made him sleepy the first 5 or so days until he was used to it. It does seem to increase fall risk for some people.
Good luck.
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@merla I would ask the NP if they are recommending seroquel for the delusions or mood. Like others have said, it is VERY common prescription for PWD. My mom is on it. But she was having a lot of agitation.
I doubt they would prescribe it to your mom just for the delusions (which kind of comes with dementia territory). If it is for her moods - eg, you mentioned she’s sad when she thinks someone has passed - it makes more sense. I would ask them a bit more why they are recommending it, especially if her moods seem fine to you. She may be different when you’re not there.
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Hey Merla, my wife started at 50mg a day several months ago and we are now up to 150mg a day for her severe agitation which I’m not sure is doing anything at this point. I’ll just toss a couple things out. Yes, it can make them drowsy at first. But I think it’s less as time goes on. Everyone is different. It is considered the least harsh of all the antipsychotic drugs. That’s why it’s always the first choice. 25mg is the lowest dose. And anything up to about I think 150 mg is considered in the low dose category. I dunno. I would weigh how much these delusions really bother her before doing it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I think a lot of us who’ve had experience with several drugs have high frustration when it comes to meds. There’s no denying there will come a time. Just make sure you’re getting the straight story.
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My Dad is on Serequel. The major downside is he is in and out of sleep throughout the day. His delusions can be quite violent. He is on 12.5 in AM, 25 around 3:30 before sundowner time, and 25 before bed for a total of 62.5 mg/daily. And sadly, it doesn't always do the job especially at sundowner time. I wish you well, this is awful.
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My mom started 25mg of the generic Serequel a few months ago. Then she went to 50, then 100mg. She was in the hospital a month ago & they bumped it to 200mg. It does make her drowsy but it's given at night & she's not drowsy during the day at all. Otherwise there are no side effects so far.0
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My mother in law was prescribed Seroquel during a hospital stay when she was at the height of her sundowning. At the time she was undiagnosed formally, had a raging UTI as it turned out, and her blood pressure was out of control. This was the beginning of our ability to better step in and manage her care in a way that she was able to remain living at home with the caveat that she and her husband would need to have supplemental caregiving besides what we were doing. Because of the many cardiac prescriptions she was on, it took us some time to figure out the best dosage because it caused her blood pressure to plummet when given a pill (25mg). We would only ever give her 12.5 at a time, and scheduled taking them around certain other prescriptions. We progressed from 12.5 mg once a day (afternoons due to agitation with sundowning) to twice a day. This of course after consulting her neurologist. We found that it helped with agitation, however, also made her very drowsy. Something to consider as if LO is mobile, it could affect balance, etc. which is another can of worms.
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