Update posted in comments - Move forward with hip surgery for DH?
I'm still not positive what stage my DH is in, but guessing stage 4 with some symptoms on 5 creeping in. Some days he seems close to "normal" and then there are days that are the opposite. He's still able to care for himself and even fixes dinner for us now and again. Still does his usual chores around the house.
Withthat said, his hip has been painful of an on for the past 6 months or so and progressively getting worse. He's popping advil several times a day now.
Dr. Visit with xray was done and they gave us the option of going to PT, hormone injection or talking to an orthopedic surgeon. They did say they could see from the xray that the joint is showing alot of wear and cartillage loss.
I opted for speaking to the surgeon with the thought that if a hip replacement is coming down the road it would be better to get it done now before his Alz. progresses any further.
Of course I'm reading all the dr. Info and giving my DH a simplified version. He wants surgery if it will take the pain away.
I know that surgery and a hospital stay will most likely escalate his Alz progression and that there may even be some hallucinations etc. During all of it.
Has anyone faced a similar situation? How did you handle it and prepare for it?
Is it wrong to push surgery? It just seems like the best option. I know he wouldn't keep up with PT and injections are not something that could be kept up either.
Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself and should just wait to talk to the surgeon first.
Hate being the sole decider, this would have been something my husband and I talked about and made a decision on together. Ughhhh
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@shiawase12 I feel you on the 100% responsibility of decision-making on behalf of someone who doesn't have the capacity to make the choice for themselves.
A couple of thoughts from someone who has experienced joint replacement as a patient and also as the family member of 2 aunts in stage 5-ish of dementia.
A gentle reminder that a PWD is considered to be in the latest stage for which they have symptoms.
Hospitalizations and anesthesia events do tend to impact how a PWD functions. This may be temporary with a return to baseline once home and settled or there might not be a return to his cognitive baseline. When my aunt w/VD had hip surgery after a fall she went from stage 5-ish living in AL to stage 7 in a SNF with a 24/7 sitter because she couldn't participate in PT or remember to wait for assistance getting out of bed.
That said, many surgeons, especially at the well-regarded specialty surgery centers use regional rather than general anesthesia for hip replacement. I would discuss this.
Unless he has some sort of cardiovascular condition that requires a hospital stay, this will likely be a "same-day" surgery. With my first knee, I did stay overnight but with the one I'll be having in February I'll be home around dinner time.
If you're opting for surgery in lieu of PT because you know he won't cooperate, think again. He will need to follow a schedule of consistent PT post-op, likely outpatient with homework assigned. Even when it hurts or he thinks he already did it. I had a formal PT program homework after my TKR for 12 weeks. It will be your job to make sure this happens or he will have a poor outcome and could end up less mobile than he is now.
It will also be on you to make sure he is compliant (using it not just consistently but also properly) with the use of a walker or crutches in the weeks after the surgery. He'll also have restrictions around things like bending that he might not recall or understand. This can be surprisingly difficult as many PWD don't recall the need because of poor short-term memory and anosognosia.
There are risks to both doing nothing and having the surgery. My second aunt had a planned knee replacement for a very painful knee. She'd had issues with it for years and it was terrible swollen and painful. She and her DH were very private people, and I suspect her DH had recognized her memory issues and decided against the surgery for her. A few years after his sudden death, her sister became guardian and arranged the surgery. It went well, but she had a stroke in surgery and never walked on the new knee. She went into a SNF for rehab which mostly concentrated on passive rehab to minimize scar tissue and maximize range of motion. The surgery was a success in that it did relieve the pain she was living with and she did adapt well to using a wheelchair. Her guardian still has guilt over this decision even though it did improve her sister's QOL. Despite the anesthesia, hospitalization and stroke, her dementia did not seem to progress, and she lived another 10 years.
Related to rehab, I wonder if it makes sense given his current stage of dementia, for him to go to a SNF for a rehab program. My dad had rehab twice in the middle stages of dementia. The first time he was in a SNF/rehab for 6 weeks where he was cooperative with the PTs. When he did outpatient PT less than a year later, he refused to do the exercises assigned at home and fought mightily with mom when she tried to coerce him. The PT "fired" him after 3 visits.
It might be useful to write down your questions. I would focus on what sort of anesthesia options are available, what the day-of surgery and post-op rehab will look like. Most orthos have some sort of physician-extender, a CNP or PA. These folks are generally your support ahead of and after surgery— speaking with this person without your DH present might be very helpful to you. They'd likely have considerable experience with how dementia and surgery overlap.
Good luck. This is a hard decision.
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I would do this: call the doctor back and get him in PT, see how well he does in terms of actually doing the exercises as often as he is told to. Keep the appointment with the surgeon.
- You need to know if he is capable of doing the PT and it might relieve the pain.
- It may take take some time to get an appointment with the surgeon, and some time after that before the surgery
- Some insurance companies require a series of steps - including PT or injections- before they will approve surgery.
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Thank you for taking the time to respond with all this insight.
My mother also had Alz. She also had two hip replacements so I know some of what can happen and relate to some of the experiences you mention.
I'mgoing to take it slow and consult with the doctors.
Thanks for listening.
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Thank you for your comments. Makes total sense.
I am taking it slow and consulting with the doctors before making any decisions.
Appreciate the info. Thank goodness for this site.
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Taking it slow makes sense. When you consult with the doctors keep in mind that surgery is their job and also their business. When listening to their advice be aware that they almost always think surgery is the best answer.
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My late hubby had EOAD. In 2014, he had to have surgery twice. He was in stage 5 at the time. The first surgery was for a small tumor on his small intestine. Knowing what I know now, I would have not elected to have that one done. Later that year, he fell and broke his hip. In that case, the surgery was necessary and very successful.
After the abdominal surgery, I noticed that he had lost some reading ability. After the hip replacement, he returned to baseline quickly. So, it's very unpredictable and very individual.
If I were in your shoes, I might risk it. Living with chronic pain will not help his dementia. My hubby developed back pain a couple of years before his death. He could never express how he was feeling and he often became agitated because of it.
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Thank you for this. It makes me feel better as that is the way I'm leaning right now.
He's in pain almost all the time and it's still early enough in his Alz that he's still aware, takes his own mes <advil> properly during the day to help. He wants to have surgery and hopes that will take away the pain.
Yes, I understand what others have said, but in the same breath every situation is different. I'm not gong into this blindly.
Anyway, appreciated a comment for the possible positive outcome.
Thanks
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Yup, I get that. I also know that there comes a point where that may be the only solution for some.
I'llwith the options and see where it leads.
Thankyou.
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I'd probably go for the surgery. My dad, the one without dementia, went through the whole hip falling apart thing. He powered through with PT and shots and a high pain tolerance for a few years but eventually it had to be replaced. And those years were hard on him and all of us, it's a hard way to live. He was close to being unable to walk and definitely a fall risk because it was close to just giving out all the time. In a person with dementia a fall can be the catalyst to end of life, and also if you are faced with the surgery decision later whether from a hip fracture or just further degeneration it will be a much tougher call in later stages of dementia. The structural issues will not improve and the PT and other treatments seem like they are basically kicking the can down the road and just delaying replacement. This can sometimes make sense for cognitively normal people but the window for when elective surgery is appropriate for a person with dementia is small. The anesthesia and recovery of course are risks, but it sounds like he has quality of life to preserve and has a decent shot at being active after this.
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Oh my goodness, thank you for this. Those are exactly my thoughts, but I've been second guessing myself.
I so appreciate that I'm not alone in thinking this is the best way forward for us.
The timing is so perfect as we meet with Ortho tomorrow morning.
Thanks again.
M
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Please up date us on how the surgery goes when you have the time. I hope all goes well.
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I certainly will. We went to an appt with ortho yesterday. Now to get all the labs needed prior to a pre-op appt.
Final decision to move forward with surgery had not been made, but we are planning to head in that direction. DH seems to understand the explanations, at least in the moment and says he wants to just have the surgery done.
One of the questions now will be if Medicare will cover the cost. My understanding is that they will if it's medically necessary and alternative methods have been exhausted. I guess we'll find out when we meet with the surgeon if they are willing to put it on record that that is the case with my DH.
We shall see.
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My DH had bilateral anterior hip replacements in 2024, 5 weeks apart. The surgery was same day only took about 1 hr for each. Received initial PT in step down recovery and then at home PT for 2 weeks, 2x/wk followed by outpatient PT for another 6 weeks. He did well however his Alzheimer’s is most impactful in his behaviors vs memory.1
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Interesting. Gives me hope. Can you explain any more of the details about how it impacted his Alz behavior vs memory?
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the hip surgery didn’t cause the behavior issues that’s how we first knew something was wrong. He became anxious and somatic which escalated over 5 mos despite seeing many specialists during that time including a geriatric psych they didn’t know what was wrong. It was when he was tried on many different psych meds that weren’t helping that neuropsych testing was recommended which found deficits mostly in executive function that was felt to be from a possible neuro degenerative disease which led to many more tests ultimately concluding he had Alzheimer’s
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Let EVERYONE involved in his care know about his dementia diagnosis, especially the anesthesiologist. That's incredibly important.
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I know some of you wanted to hear what happened, so ...
After, more doctor appointments and labs we finally met with the ortho surgeon today. He was wonderful!
He examined my DH and determined that he felt this was hip bursitis!
Although he did agree that Xrays showed some arthritis in the hip joint, that it wasn't very bad at all. In addition all the pain points DH was showing were not in the hip joint or groin area, only on the side of his hip and down that side of his leg and about to his knee.
So, the results was being able to have the surgeon give him a steroid shot (not cortisone, but can't remember the drug name. Will double check once the info is online).
Now we wait, as the shot takes one to two weeks to really do it's thing. We are told in most cases one injection can last a year, but it's ok if it's even two or three times a year if this works.
Crossing my fingers that this is as easy it seems.
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Oh I hope it is that, would be so easy for you both. Fingers crossed.
Just putting this out there in case it helps someone - my father's hip situation was very similar. Debilitating pain. Not in the usual place they expect like the groin. The X-ray was basically normal for his age. First they did some PT and then decided it was bursitis. The shot did nothing. Months later I said something has to give and took him back to the orthopedic clinic. The ortho finally ordered an MRI and only then did they see how bad his hip was and ordered a fast tracked hip replacement. The ortho couldn't believe he was walking on it and got him scheduled for surgery in about a month which is really fast, at least here. I don't understand the disconnect between the two evaluations (same orthopedist the whole time plus primary care evaluated it), but in any case was really glad he got the MRI. I hope your DH gets relief from the shots, but don't be afraid to keep advocating if you have to.
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I have had hip bursitis. One shot of cortisone took care of it - it's been years ago and the pain never recurred. I hope that is the same for your hubby.
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Thank you for the update. I hope the shit works, that would solve the problem.
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Thanks for the update. I hope the shot gives him relief.
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@MN Chickadee, Thankyou, I do hope it works, but will I be watching to see how it goes. At least we really liked the ortho surgeon so if we have to go back we trust him to do what needs to be done, MRI etc.
Appreciate your experience, now I know to advocate for an MRI of necessary. :)
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@BethL so good to hear it worked for you. I'm so hoping we will have the same experience. :)
@trottingalong and @White Crane Thank you! :)
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