medications & testing
Anyone hear of or had experience with Prozac for dementia? My mom's doctor just ordered it. Also a neurologist diagnosed her with mild cognitive impairment, when her primary doctor says dementia/Alzheimer's. MCI develops into dementia? Maybe I'm making too much out of these 'labels.' Can anyone clarify? What kind of testing have people had? CT?
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I'd try to get as much testing as possible as early as you can. My mom had MCI, and by the time we actually got enough testing done, she is past the point of being able to participate in clinical trials. It seems if you can get a diagnosis early there may be more options for her. Eventually, we had an MRI, neuropsychological testing and a PT scan which provided basis for a diagnosis.
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Can I ask, how was your mom when she was labeled MCI? Trouble functioning? Deeply affecting everyday life/tasks? I feel like CT will rule out possible treatable causes, which is good. Mom has had memory tests, does well on some, not so well on others, so mixed results. But it's DEEPLY affecting everyday thinking, memory, & mood. Don't know how aggressive we want to be with possible invasive treatment or trials. Thanks.
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She was completely independent, taking care of the house, driving, etc. but she was starting to have some trouble with paying the bills and remembering certain things- for example, every time she saw my plug in hybrid car she'd ask if I ever plugged it in. My dad had Alzheimer's also, and she was really holding it together while he declined and passed away. When she expressed some concerns with memory issues, I suggested she go to a neurologist. It was with Kaiser. I liked that they had a whole team that focused on Gerontology and I liked her neurologist. It wasn't until a few years later (2-3 years) when we changed insurance and went to a different neurologist outside of Kaiser that we had someone who really helped us to get a diagnosis. Perhaps it was because she was further along that he pursued getting the diagnosis. I would say be aggressive (in an attempt at levity, think of a cheerleader saying "Be Aggressive! Be Be Aggressive! LOL). I mean, not necessarily with treatment/trials, but with getting more answers and a possible diagnosis. If you have a more clear understanding of what is going on, you will have more options to look at and it will help you in planning for the future. There is a new drug that was approved by the FDA- I'm not sure who would benefit from it. Medicare paid for the neuropsychological testing (a comprehensive analysis of her functional abilities) and after you do that, they will pay for a PT scan. I hope that helps. It's just one person's experience. Maybe others can chime in.
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Your mom was completely independent When diagnosed as MCI? My mom cannot be alone, doesn't take care of herself as far as eating, drinking, bathing, taking medications, etc. All she will do is sit & watch news. I think what I really want/need are medications to help mom (and us) & guidance on how to handle day to day things & like you said, plans for the future. Mom has a LOT of anxiety, so I hope her new med helps, It will just take time to get in her system. I also hoped for a medication that she could take as needed for anxiety. Today has been rough, repeating same questions over and over and over. I think I know the best way to respond but sometimes my patience gets thin & don't respond as I should. Then she gets upset, BUT doesn't take much to upset her.
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I'm so sorry to hear of your struggle. I'm no expert, but it sounds like more than MCI, but many of these difficulties with daily tasks could be due to depression, so maybe the prozac will kick in and help. But the repeating the questions over and over seems like more than MCI and depression to me. My mom recently started having some of those needs (meds, showering,) and she was just diagnosed with Alzheimer's, though we started the process of diagnosing about a year ago.
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Thank you. Are you caring for your mom? I won't get hung up on the labels. I'm with mom day in & day out. I feel it's hard for a doctor who sees her 15 minutes to determine what to call it with a memory test.
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Oh wow. I can't imagine doing what you're doing. My mom is in an assisted living facility about 3 hours from me. 😫 It's killing me that she's far away and is struggling every day. I wish I could be with her- even thought of moving her in with me, but I know that would be way to hard for me. I'm looking to move her closer to me and to go from AL to MC... It's such a hard decision and I've been such a mess this week- high highs and low lows. Lots of tears. I've used the hotline twice and they are really a great help! If you're able to, I'd recommend the neuro-psychological testing. They spent 3 hours with my mom and did all sorts of test to really pinpoint which areas of her brain were effected.
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I don’t think there are “as needed” medicines for anxiety in dementia. The only ones I can think of in people without dementia would be benzodiazepines, which are not recommended except very occasionally or when someone is waiting for a daily medication to take effect. Benzodiazepines can become habit forming and can be sedating and have unwanted side effects in people with dementia. The other medicine sometimes used “as needed” for anxiety is a prescription antihistamine that you would definitely not want to use in an elderly person with or without dementia, again because of side effects. You’re describing common symptoms of moderate dementia and maybe her doctor or a geriatric psychiatrist can help with prescribing.
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Agree completely with housefinch, it's very hard to use as needed medications in people with dementia. Irene, i think that many times the professionals are reluctant to diagnose dementia at the initial evaluation and call a lot of things MCI that are clearly more advanced. Not sure why they do this, it may be a combination of not wanting to be the messenger who gets shot because of bad news, or of somehow wanting to "ease" the patient and family into the diagnosis. But I would tell you to trust your gut instincts, she likely does in fact sound more advanced than MCI. There's not a lot of downside to a trial of Prozac but I wouldn't have high expectations for major improvements either. Of the SSRI drugs it's probably the most stimulating, so it might help with apathy, but others like sertraline, Lexapro or Celexa may help more with anxiety. Paxil seems to be less commonly used in dementia patients though I'm not sure why.
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I'm sorry you're struggling with having your mom that far. It is VERY hard. NOTHING is easy about this disease. I have my moments too- cry a lot, & frustration. I just remember all the memories I have of mom & me. She took care of my kids when they were little. And I remember that she was once like me, running a household, working, taking care of kids, taking care of her mom, & now this wicked disease has struck her. So sad. It's not fair. I have used the hotline too. They were more or less an ear to listen, & supportive. Just remember your mom is being cared for.
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Yes, I think you're right on about doctors hesitant diagnosing. I had never thought of that. I just want to know how to handle it & what we're dealing with. So don't expect improvement from Prozac? Hmm, maybe she will need more of an anxiety med, like you said. Thank you
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Back in Dec 2022, I took my DW to her PP about her memory. Both of our daughters agreed with me regarding my DW having memory issues but not bad. Her doctor did the cognitive test which she scored good (28). She got an Carotid Duplex test and a CT scan all which turned out to be normal. She was referred to a major university that deals with AL, but is also a major R & D facility. When we got an appointment they gave my DW a cognitive test which she scored in the normal range. She had an MRI done. She was then given another test that took an hour or so. The specialist didn't seemed to concern but he classified it as MCI. She pays our monthly bills, pays our taxes, goes shopping, takes her med's and takes care of herself without any problems. She has always had a issue with time management skills so I can't said that is a new problem. Even 20 years ago her VP would tell her about her time management skills, so I can't say that is part of her MCI. But I do have to repeat dates, times and events several times before she gets it into her iPhone and even then she will ask about an event rather than look at her iPhone. Actually she will ask as she looks in her iPhone. She does get mad when I am driving if she doesn't like how I am driving. She always says I will do this or that but I don't and then she says it is my MO (modus operandi), despite I used to do that 10+ years ago but haven't in recent years. I feel for everyone that has posted about their loved ones that have it a lot worse than my DW and for their care givers whomever they may be, for I know you all have gone through a lot more than I. It has been two years since she was first diagnosed with memory issues and I am scared of what could get worse. I have cancer which is in remission and would rather have it than have AL/DM. Sorry for the long story. God Bless all of you for what you have gone through and done for you loved ones. I hope and pray that I am as strong as you all have been if it gets to that point.
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Hello and my apologies but I just joined the group. My mother had MCI and it of course he’s gotten worse. Her neurologist first did a CT and then we did the MRI and cognitive testing. Though the MRI did not show much as far as “symptoms “, the cognitive testing proved otherwise. She has had multiple UTI’s which also have an effect on memory and confusion. She is currently on Aricept and Memantine which are supposed to slow the progression but honestly how can anyone know? She is also on two different antidepressants but is still combative, argumentative and just plain hurtful. It’s the disease.
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Dont' think your feelings are not justified. sounds like your DW is functioning, which is great. It's scary not knowing what the future holds, but keep her close, take care of her & YOU and enjoy the now. I am also scared for what's in store for my mom, me & my family. I feel it's all part of this journey, but doesn't make it any easier.
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Oh, I'm so sorry about your mom's combative & argumentative behavior. That makes it so much harder. Are you caring for her? Can I ask how long ago she was diagnosed MCI?
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She started having memory issues 2 1/2 years ago.
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