When did these things happen for your PWD?
I’m feeling like I’m in a time warp as the caregiver. I see my DH progressing, but very slowly. His main issues are memory, language/communication, and apathy.
He has less energy, sleeps more, dazes off for hours, but I don’t see the scary or heavy duty things yet like hallucinations, delusions, forgetting me or the kids, incontinence and aggression.
If your LO experienced these symptoms, when did they start?
My DH is 81, diagnosed a year ago, obvious symptoms for at least 5 years, last score was 20/30. Think it’s dropped. No meds.
Thanks.
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I know it varies greatly per person, but my grandmother did not get delusional nor have hallucinations at all. If I remember correctly, she was forgetting members of the family about middle of stage 5, and incontinence at stage 6. She started wrapping things in tissues and hiding them a bit earlier than that, however, about maybe the end of stage 4 into beginning stage 5.
just background - I was about 8, and Grandmother was early-onset, and I remember very fidgety. We made sure she had a cloth hanky that she could wrap through her fingers and hand, and pace around, and wrap that hanky. It gave her hands something to do. We lost her when I was almost 17.
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There is a saying, "If you've seen one person with dementia, you've seen….one person with dementia." Every PWD is unique, and there is no set timeline for development of symptoms. There are general guidelines, the one most commonly referenced in this forum is Tam Cummings DBAT, which gives the general progression through the stages of ALZ.
I have found the DBAT to be a good guide to what MAY happen in the future, but realize the time span estimates for duration of each stage are just that: estimates. I am a person who likes to plan for the future and be in control of things and have had to learn the hard lesson that I am just along for the ride on this journey. ALZ will progress at its own pace regardless of what I do.
To address your question about specific symptoms:
My DH is in early Stage 7 ALZ and had a small stroke last June affecting speech, swallowing, memory and language. He also has congestive heart failure. He is still verbal, and this can continue until death. Never had hallucinations, delusions or aggression except during an episode of hospital delirium. Not sure he remembers my name; I am "The Wife". Sometimes confuses me with his previous wife to whom he was married nearly 45 years. Recognizes his daughter who visits weekly. Has problems with memory and word finding. Gets lost in time and forgets activities he just completed. Urinary incontinence began in Stage 5 (about a year ago), bowel incontinence in Stage 6. Gait changes and falling were observed as early as 7 years ago, despite being physically strong (went to the gym several times a week). Worsening dysphagia (difficulty swallowing) and he frequently aspirates pureed food, thickened liquids, and even saliva. Sleeps more, but that is also due to CHF.
Again, that is just the experience of one PWD. Your DH may never develop some of these symptoms.
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Like SusanB, my mom didn’t have delusions or hallucinations, nor aggression. Beginning stage 6, I think, incontinence was more of an issue and only knowing I was her person. She didn’t remember my name for awhile but still knew I was her daughter until that time. I didn’t journal everything, wish I would have, so I’m just trying to remember, of all things… ha.
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Thank you @mommyandme (m&m) @fmb and @SusanB-dil I know everyone is different but I’m like @fmb I’m a planner. I know everyone’s different and the timelines are just guides…it’s so individual and unpredictable. I think DH is mid to late stage 5 but sometimes I wonder if he’s been misdiagnosed since he’s not incontinent at all and goes in and out so much. His memory abd language are definitely seriously impaired, though. Like @fmb my LO has only experienced hospital delirium (once) and hallucinations when he was out in the snow fgr hours shoveling, got soaked, didn’t realize he was soaked or exhausted or wet and had no idea how long he’d been shoveling. That was 2018 before his diagnosis but it was a clear sign that things were wrong, but we blamed it on the hypothermia and ignored the poor judgment hallucinations and no memory of the event. He would talk about his hallucinations later as if they were real which we sort of poo-pooed as him joking (he said he saw my dead mother whom he never met and gremlins).
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Until recently, MIL had characteristics from stages 4, early 5 and late 5.
What was helpful for me was to gauge her by how she reacts in unfamiliar settings or in situations requiring her to make simple decisions.
So at home or on the phone with familiar people making small talk, she was stage 3/4. But when we went to an office supply store so she could purchase a binder (her request) she was unable to make a simple choice, asked the same question back to back to back and was completely overwhelmed.
MIL is 91. Was formally diagnosed about 18 months ago with mixed dementia at middle stage and seems to be going through the stages at a steady pace. To date, she’s still continent. When diagnosed she could do all ADLS but no IADLS. Currently, she needs assistance with all ADLS except going to the bathroom.
Two things that stand out to me as subtle signs of diminished cognition. Her plate is often a mess. She still uses utensils but after eating, her plate looks like that of a toddler with food particles everywhere.
And she was an amazing folder of clothes. She’d literally rub out all the wrinkles and precisely fold clothes into tiny squares. Now, her folds are lopsided, occasionally socks are mismatched and her completed stacks are disorganized with underwear mixed in with kitchen towels.
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My mil never experienced delusions, hallucinations or extreme anger. I understand it’s so hard not knowing what might be coming next. I am also a planner and I don’t do well with uncertainty. I think a misdiagnosis is probably wishful thinking, Im sorry. I guess be thankful he is not experiencing these awful symptoms and hope for the best.
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It's such an individual thing.
My dad was a difficult character pre-dementia. With dementia he was a sort of magnified version of that in terms behaviors. For him, semi-incontinence set in a little on the early side in part because of radiation therapy for prostate cancer. That said, he knew his immediate family throughout the disease and maintained conversational speech as well even if the content was completely untrue. I had a long, convoluted discussion about my sister visiting him hours before he died from complications of aspiration pneumonia. She'd been dead 25 years at that point.
My aunt never became aggressive or even agitated. She'd been a gentle soul before diagnosis and remained one until her death. She had hallucinations and delusions, but frankly, they were lovely and pleasant for her. She believed, for instance, that her MCF was the married student housing at Rutgers circa 1949 and that her late husband was on maneuvers as a naval reservist. She'd look out the window of her room and see the view of Casco Bay from her cottage rather than the woods that were actually there.
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That’s so beautiful! Thank you.
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