Siblings not on the same page
UPDATE: I had a “come to Jesus” moment last week when all 6 kids got the stomach flu, and I realized that I don’t have to do it all. I need to stop resisting the path that is easier in front of me and let Jesus (and my siblings) take the wheel. We are transitioning him to an AL out of state, since there is more family close by and I need to focus on my kids. Thanks for all your input!
OLDER POST:
I’m new here, and trying to figure out what to do when siblings have different ideas regarding what is best for a parent.
My 84 year old father was recently diagnosed with mild combined-type Alzheimer's and Vascular Dementia. It was advised at that time that he move to assisted living or live with family. He has been living alone for 25 years, and has been very independent, so this diagnosis and the recommendations are hard for him to accept. He can no longer drive, since he failed his driving evaluation, and he is not safe at home alone anymore. We have been letting him try out our houses for a month at a time as we work with him to accept his diagnosis, which, as you know, is a challenge.
My siblings and I have also been trying to work with him to get him into an assisted living facility. We’ve toured many so he could get a feel for them. All of my siblings, except me, work full time. None of our houses are set up to care for him, although myself and my husband are both nurses (DH is an NP, and I’m an RN), and have the knowledge to do so. Our life circumstances just don’t allow it, since we have 6 kids still at home, many of whom have higher needs. I’m a SAHM now, so I could oversee his care and still take him to appointments, but we would still have our separate spaces, and he would keep some independence.
The big issue right now is that all of my siblings are pushing to move my dad to an AL out of state. They say they have more backup there (2 siblings close enough to share the load), and they say the facility is nicer than the one close to me. I’m the only one of us who lives locally to my dad (who has lived here for almost 50 years), and DH and I deliberately did so to help my father as he aged. We have an excellent AL facility with memory care just a few miles from our house. If he stayed close to me, life wouldn’t change quite as much for him. I’m also his (eventual) medical POA. To my husband and I, it makes sense to me to keep him here in the area, so he can keep his doctors, his friends can visit, and his medically trained family can check in on him daily. It would help ease the transition to AL to not have his entire life turned upside down.
I think one of the issues is family dynamics. I’m the youngest, and while I have my BSN, 2 siblings have their PhDs. My dad is still able to make this decision himself, of course, but they are pushing hard for the out of state AL. If that is what he freely chooses, that is fine. I’m just at a loss as to why they are so adamant. Why did he choose me as POA if no one will listen to me? My dad will be back with me this weekend, so we need to have some more discussions. This just sucks and is so difficult. I want to do what is best for my family and for my dad. It’s just not clear. Would my life be “easier” with my dad out of state? Sure. I would no longer be his primary caregiver. Is it what is best for my family? That is so mixed. I would have more time to devote to my kids, but my dad has been a huge part of my kids’ lives- we would see him at least once a week. Every birthday, sporting event, play- he was there cheering them on. Is it what is best for him? I don’t feel it is. I think a move out of state would be very difficult for him.
Thanks for listening. If there’s anyone who has been through this, I’m happy to hear how you dealt with this. How did your parent fare moving out of state? Did your family ever decide who was in the driver’s seat?
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Welcome to the forum. The brass tack in this dilemma is that whoever holds his legal poa gets to make the decision. It's very dicey when the legal and medical POA are split. It doesn't really answer your question, but you do have the option of resigning as the medical POA, and if he does move out of state that's what i would do. Puts you in an impossible position otherwise.
You may receive a lot of comments about how much to involve your dad in these decisions/discussions. It is likely beyond his ability to process and may cause undue stress. He may also have anosognosia, a feature of the illness that prevents him from seeing his deficits-he may think he's fine, and there will be no getting through to him on that. You should not expect to get his buy-in on any of this.
I hope you all find a workable solution and am sorry for the terrible dilemma you face.
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Hi mp1999 - Welcome to 'here'.
Just a thought on the long-haul - Eventually, he will not be able to be in assisted living, but the memory care. With inevitable decline, would you still want to have the entirety on your shoulders? Basically, where would you be getting the most assistance from - close to you or out-of-state?
Our situation is that MIL also has alz and vasc, and DH and I have our hands full to manage her care. mom (alz) lives closer to my brother and he has her DPOA and medical proxy, and also has my niece not far from them. This works out beautifully for all of us. I realize you are more than qualified, and each situation is different, but unfortunately, going forward with 'this' dreadful 'thing', it can get quite challenging.
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personally if you can manage the frequent check ins at AL , I would opt for one closer to where he has been living. I had no choice but to move my Mom from VA to FL. Although I do believe it’s not so much geographic state as it is her mental state, it’s heart breaking to keep hearing how she hates living here. What she really hates is her confusion. She was used to younger children being close to her and no longer has that. She had 1 friend there who came by every month or so . Now she doesn’t and I know this is something she would have missed when she wasn’t so confused. So for however long he can enjoy the area I would let him. Then later maybe move him. Prayers for you and your family.
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Hi and welcome. I am sorry for your reason to be here, but really pleased you found this place.
Your dad is fortunate to have such engaged children. So often there isn't consensus around what is an appropriate level of care and often one child has all of the work of caregiving while the rest either Monday-morning quarterback or interfere with care plans.
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One issue with a parent's dementia is the tendency for siblings to get stuck around family roles and dynamics of growing up. That will not serve your dad's well-being in the long run. This is about him now. It's not your older sibs chance to pull rank under some misconception that they are more entitled by age or years of education.
Given that your dad has mixed dementia, it is possible he could progress in the disease more rapidly than a person with typical Alzheimer's does. It's also likely that he could follow the model of progression seen in VD which is a series of plateaus with sudden and sometimes dramatic losses of skills and cognition. This is to say that his stay in AL might be very short and that his ability to be the grandpop you'd want for your kids could also vanish much sooner than you'd hope.
In a lot of respects, dementia caregiving is different than other disease-related caregiving. It's not like nursing a person with a chronic condition like CHF, diabetes or leukemia where medical training is very important. As your dad's disease progresses, care will be more able providing quality of life—safety and comfort— not battling disease.
As the disease progresses, there will be times when you need to drop everything and be with your PWD. TBH, the SAHP of 6 kiddos likely has less flexibility for the sort of caregiving crises that may happen than someone who controls their own calendar, has no or older kids and/or can take FML. When your dad has something like a fall or UTI, he might be transported to the ER solo which means a family member (Ideally POA) needs to drop everything and meet the ambulance. You're familiar, I'm sure, with hospital psychosis. This is nearly universal when a PWD is hospitalized and generally means having a family member stay with them for the duration.
Allowing siblings to take this on will allow you to focus on your children which is ultimately job one as a parent. I'm an only which made me the default in helping my parents. I have one adult son with ASD and it hasn't always been easy balancing supporting his transition to adulthood and my parents increasing needs. There are times when both responsibilities get shortchanged.
What are the metrics by which your family is judging ALFs? It can be hard for families to know what aspects will make for a comfortable experience for the LO. It's easy to be swayed by things like decor when things like dementia training and dementia-informed programming is more important to quality of life. It's very possible, given his diagnosis, that he won't last long if the ALF is a hospitality-model and not a specific high-acuity facility dedicate to memory care. It's possible he might be far enough along to need MC now. There's an old saying here that by a time a family is willing to consider AL— the LO should be in MC. Care needs should drive placement. If he sundowns or is an elopement risk, MC would be better now. I would look for a place that offers both and tour to be certain you are he can start in AL.
Geographically, I would consider moving him if there are more family members who can and will visit him. IME, friends will disappear fairly early on as your dad's dementia is more obvious to others and he can no longer hold up his end of things. Family, too, tends to drop off either because they're older, your LO's condition saddens them or because they're uncomfortable visiting. Dad's brother did a 45-minute drive-by once. When dad was in MC for 2 months, his brother visited one time despite me picking a facility more convenient to him than me. As time passes, he's going to be less and less oriented to where he is.
Not long after I moved my parents north, my dad was confused enough to think he was in Florida. I don't think the move harmed him in any way but it did give both parents an additional layer of safety to be near me. I did not involve dad in the move; mom and I (and mostly me— I did the leg work and she picked from a curated set of options) picked an apartment (and later home) to which I moved them. We certainly didn't involve dad in any decision making but he may have been further along than your dad is. I did the logistics of staging and selling both their homes, shipping vehicles, moving households, establishing residency in a new state and creating a new medical team for both.
I feel your pain in this. My BFF's dad was spirited away by her brother. Dad didn't have dementia but was very elderly and frail. BFF was the youngest, still living in the neighborhood and had been the closest to her parents. She was mom to the youngest grandchild who was the apple of pop-pop's eye and it broke her heart for her then 6-year-old daughter to "lose" he last remaining grandparent and vice versa. But the bottom line was that her older, childless brother and his wife were more able to drop everything for dad which my friend could not.
All that said, I do have one friend who made this work with his dad for quite some time. Friend has a dozen kids and a big old house with a separate carriage house apartment down the driveway where dad lived. He and his brother were local and had some control over their schedules as doctors, but emergencies fell to my friend's wife. The 5 older kids were adults by this time and could manage care of the younger ones as needed. But even in this scenario, dad spent the last 2 years in MC.
I hope your family can come to a decision that is agreeable to everyone.
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Thank you for this. It’s good to have a medical name for what I have been seeing. You are right; he has no idea of his defects, and I don’t know if he ever will. Also, I don’t know who is his legal POA. He made my brother the financial POA, so I guess that is could be him? I’m just so shocked as to how complicated the legal aspects of this disease are.
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Thank you for taking the time to answer.
Our kids are ages 8-20, although 3 of them are autistic. The 20 year old and the 16 year old are “high functioning”, but the youngest is level 2. There are a lot of meetings at school and therapies that they all go to, which is one of the reasons I’m a SAHM at the moment. My older kids are able to care for the younger ones in an emergency, though, and DH is able to pinch hit when needed. He is actually a palliative care NP. We are both well informed when it comes to quality of life and comfort care. I homeschool the neurotypical 3, and they are pretty self sufficient when I am gone. My siblings that are closer to the out of state AL are a teacher and her husband, and an engineer and his wife. All 4 work full time jobs. My sister wouldn’t be able to just leave her classroom if there was an emergency, and my brother is an hour away. If he was close to me, I feel I could work it out with my older kids and be there quickly. I have more flexibility, even though I have more on my plate.
None of this is easy. Thanks for helping a newbie think of some other issues that may arise. Both AL that we are looking (in and out of state) have an in house MC that they move people to when needed for safety reasons.0 -
financial POA is the legal POA. It’s too bad that he’s not the medical POA too. It works better if a single person is both. Since your brother is financial POA, I’d recommend your father be moved closer to him.
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