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Planning for hospice

mpang123
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I paid a visit to my parents yesterday and spent the night. My dad has been dealing with double incontinence and last night I observed my dad waking my mom in the middle of the night with a bowel accident and my mom had to change him and clean him up. My mom is exhausted and I recommended to my mom to accept hospice care to relieve some of my mom's caregiving and get her some respite. She agrees. I am calling for hospice eval after the holiday. I explained to my mom that hospice is covered by Medicare and will not cost anything and that hospice does not mean dad has only 6 months to end of life. I hope he gets approved.

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  • Jeanne C.
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    edited May 24

    I hope so too. They have been a blessing for us. Is there any possibility of also getting an aide in periodically? Hospice is great but they don't provide aides for companionship or helping with all ADLS. My husband's nurse comes once or twice a week. The CNA comes twice weekly to shower him. The bulk of his day-to-day care is handled by me or his home health aide (who is not from hospice). I would say I still handle 80% or more of his incontinence issues (though hospice does provide the diapers). Please don't be discouraged by that - hospice will still be a huge help.

  • mpang123
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    Jeanne, in addition to hospice staff, would my dad's palliative care team offer home health care? Or do we have to pay out-of-pocket for health aids? My mom will still assist with dad's care, but it would be nice to give her a break.

  • Jeanne C.
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    I don't have experience with palliative care, only hospice. Hopefully someone with experience can jump in and correct me if I'm wrong. I don't believe palliative care provides home health aides (but it doesn't hurt to ask). We have an aide covered by insurance because I went through the process of getting my husband qualified for longterm care Medicaid.

  • mpang123
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    I heard about the 5 year spend down to qualify for Medicaid. My parents don't qualify for Medicaid right now but they won't be able to afford AL/MC in the near future without medicaid. We need to discuss more about their financial plans. Both me and my nephew has POA for both financial and medical. It has just recently been posted. Much more planning needs to be placed. I'm still in the beginnings of learning about all aspects of taking care of both parents with dementia. It's been about over a year and a half since things have gotten downhill.

  • CaliforniaGirl-1
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    What state are you in? California has loosened the rules somewhat for elderly disabled applying for medi-cal, California's medicaid. It is worth talking a specialist in your state.

  • mpang123
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    California girl, I live in Texas. I've looked into the Department of aging and disability services and there are programs that can qualify the elderly who aren't eligible for traditional Medicaid. They can get home health services under the Community attendant services program. It is still income based but not exclusively. Not all services are provided either.

  • Jeanne C.
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    It's definitely worth a consult with an elder law attorney (CELA if you can find one). They will be the expert in your state's Medicaid system. I never thought we'd qualify, but through careful planning and financial management with our attorney, I was able to move necessary assets out of my husband's name and jump through all our state's hoops to get him qualified. Do not start "spend-down" without a consult. Ours included movement of funds to a Medicaid-compliant annuity.

  • mpang123
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    It is on the agenda to see elder law. So many things to do. Sigh.

  • harshedbuzz
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    @mpang123 While hospice is a wonderful idea— they'll provide supplies, medications and a team to provide care, it is not a round-the-clock service. You may need to supplement this privately by hiring an overnight caregiver to allow mom to sleep or taking over the overnights for her.

    One of my friends cared for her mom who had very fractured sleep— she's walk up to use the bathroom and then dress for the day and require supervision at 2am. Her son was home for a semester between graduation and grad school, so they split the nights with her heading to bed at 8pm and her son handling off the iPhone with the motion detector app when he retired at 2-3am.

  • mpang123
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    I worry about my mom. Being a full time caretaker for my dad has stressed her out so much that it exacerbated her own symptoms of Alzheimer's. It's hard on me trying to get everything done by myself. My nephew is not really engaged and my sister is out of reach. Help!!!

  • mpang123
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    Well, I scheduled for hospice consultation for dad and the screening nurse is coming June 4th. Hope my dad cooperates. I will be there of course, to speak up for dad. Mom wouldn't know what to say.

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