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Having a massive attack of guilt

Merla
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edited January 7 in Caring for a Parent

My parent is going to be placed in memory care and it's going to have to involve some fiblets. I didn't expect to feel so guilty about this as ltc has been my goal for several months now. There is no feasible alternative and we selected the very best memory care in the area after a comprehensive search. I also feel guilty because she is mid stage where theoretically one could live outside of a facility. I'm feeling terrible as a child and POA. Also historically she has never been an easy person and was extremely difficult the past few years but now she has morphed into a sweet kind older sounding person who is kind of helpless so this is by far the nicest she has been to me as a adult. She can get angry but her baseline is nice. So her agreeability and niceness also make me feel more guilty


. I don't live in the same area as my parent so my sibling will deal with the logistics and emotional day but its quite likely our parent will be mad at both of us especially me if she understands I'm responsible for the decision financially. I'm kind of terrified of this day and wonder what my role should be since I'm in another state.

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  • SusanB-dil
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    Hi Merla - you know she will be cared for, and yes, it is still hard. You will still be her advocate.

    ((hugs))

  • --Rebecca--
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    edited January 7

    I think you should consider making arrangements to be present for the move. You should be there to support your sibling, and to help with the physical move.

    I do not subscribe to the "drop loved ones off and don't have contact for two weeks" outlook. I think it is helpful to pop in briefly for the first 3-4 days. You can observe their set up, and can buy whatever items they may need. Labels, organizers. For example, my dad needed directions for his new TV set up. My dad was very nervous about his first shower, and I was able to buy him a better robe. Staff will have questions about their care, and you can offer background information. This also sends a message to the facility that this is a resident who is supported by their family, and you have high expectations.

    Your mom may be mad at both of you. She is entitled to her feelings and the time needed to process them. Just tell her that you love her, matter what. Use the fiblet that her doctor is who recommended this change. Get the story straight with your sibling.

  • --Rebecca--
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    I, too am the POA who lives out of town. I relate to your story as I also have a difficult parent who became softer and nicer as Alzheimer's progressed. I am so grateful that my burden was front loaded. Watching his personality slip away wasn't hard for me. Families caring for a pleasant PWD suffer so much more, as the disease progresses.

    We need to celebrate whatever win we can get. Becoming more agreeable was definately a win. My sibling helping out is definately a win, and I tell my brother that often.

    Shake off your guilt. It will just drain you, and it doesn't add anything to this journey. When things turn from mid level to severe, your mom will be safe. We don't get to pick when that happens. You did the right thing. She will never wander from the house, or burn it down. She won't have the anxiety of living alone with growing memory issues.

    This is terribly hard. It doesn't mean you are on the wrong path.

  • Merla
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    I also feel guilty that my parent isn't going to be living by me. This was the original plan my mom wanted and also what I assumed would happen and her legal documents she created before dementia gave the idea that this would have been her preference. However, I ended up having to put her on a plane when the situation at my house spiraled downward. And shockingly my sibling and our extended family stepped up to the plate. The must have been in denial prior to this. And also it has helped immensely that my parent has lost her rough edge and now is pleasant and agreeable so people are willing to help her and she is willing to be helped to some degree. My sibling spent very little time in the past decade with our parent so it's a huge win he is stepping up to the plate.


    when my parent left my house to go to another state with my sibling and other family, I knew that I was giving up a lot of control of my parents care. So far my sibling and I are working well together in terms of being on the same page with decisions and thankfully he is receptive oand my influence on facility selection because I did a ton of research on the topic.


    however im letting my sibling take the lead on logistics of the move in plan since he is there. I don't know if I agree with his plan but also don't think there is a perfect plan or a kind way to do it. He is leaning on the facility to help him navigate this. He doesn't want me to come as this could alert her that something is up. I also don't think that he should just leave her to tough it out alone for a couple of weeks unless trying to help her get her room set up and showing her around etc turns out to be unhelpful. However, it's somewhat out of my control and I don't want to alienate my sibling as we need to have a good working relationship

  • kblau
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    I did the tough it out with my moM and she called the cops and told them she is being held against her will. Pls go with your gut. You don’t have to answer all the time but do what feels right.

    I had my mom originally placed in AL in a facility 30 minutes away from me. She was there for 3 months and then I knew she needed MC. The drive was taking a toll on me and so I moved her to a facility 6 minutes away and I cannot say enough how distance matters. I understand your sibling will be taking on the visits as she will be out of state now. I would have a convo with them about popping in frequently and at different times to really understand the care given. My mom is at a better known upscale facility and I still have to be on top of her care.

  • kblau
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    but also just know this is what is best. The earlier they are when in a facility the better they can acclimate. Think of it that way too.

  • Anonymousjpl123
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    edited January 8

    I wish you, your mom and your sibling and easy move. I think the very best thing you can do is make sure the facility is treating your mom well. This, more than anything, will help her and improve her quality of life.

    My mom went to Assisted Living in stage 4/5, and after about 8 months moved to memory care. I’ve regretted none of it. Our society makes it seem like we should all be caring for our parents at home but in many cases like mine where there aren’t big extended families that’s just not possible. Or even desirable. My mom would be alone with an aide all day.

    What IS possible is making sure your loved one is treated well and cared for. That’s where I’ve put all my effort, and it really has paid off. When my mom was less far along, a fancy AL/MC with beautiful furniture and little care was fine. When she advanced they basically said they couldn’t care for her and we had to move. I looked at a million (5) places and chose the best one. It’s been the best decision.

    We can’t stop the progression. My mom makes less and less sense lately. But she is not depressed. I visit a lot, she knows her fellow residents. They all seem to accept each other in a way that literally brings me to tears sometimes. It’s not anything like a horror show. The staff really know what they’re doing and actually seem to enjoy the residents.

    I have a friend whose mom stayed at home the whole journey with lots of care, and was miserable, even suicidal - and they wouldn’t have it any other way. No regrets. There are so many “right” ways to do this but it starts with making sure you’re loved one is safe and cared for.


    Check in with your sibling and visit soon, when you can. Let us know how the move goes.

  • Quilting brings calm
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    Definitely support your sibling. He may not be doing it the way you would, but he is doing it. Criticizing what he’s doing may result in your mom being on a plane back to you. If he’s deferring to what the facility recommends, accept that. They are experienced at this, he and you aren’t. You do not have to rush back to be there the date she moves in. I’d recommend going later, maybe when your sibling needs a break to go on vacation. Because even though she is in a facility, your sibling will find his life taken over by her needs and will need breaks.

  • Merla
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    This is my fear. I really think that she could call the police and from her perspective why wouldn't she call the police? I am going to take some of her calls but at a certain. Point there is nothing more to say.

    I remember reading one of your posts about your mom getting lost in a fancy assisted living community and thought that this would be my mother. So I'm fortunate to have memory care with programs for early midstage people.

    What bothers me is that thus far I'm peace with myself with how I've treated her and treated the situation her condition has created. I've been able to treat her with respect and kindness and empathy. However, I don't know of a kind, respectful way of getting her into memory care.

  • Merla
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    Yeah, I'm letting him take the lead because he is the one who has to do it. Though I think that she will actually be more mad at me because of the financial impact. And she will likely forget exactly how it all happened any how. I just have been able to achieve all of my objectives while Being kind and compassionate but don't see placement is not going to be perceived as a betrayal.

  • Merla
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    Yeah I'm totally sold on memory care being the best option for her and us. No doubt there. It's just going to be a hard transition. I feel like older people judge putting parents in a "facility" or a "home." I however think that these people haven't seen what high quality ltc looks like and what keeping parents with dementia looks like.

  • kblau
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    I also thought my mom would think of it as betrayal. And yes at first I got the calls where she was screaming at my voicemail. Fast forward a month in, she seemed okay. Even enjoying it. Then a couple months later and she thinks she is at my sisters house still and somehow has blended the facility and her old home into one. She will say she is the facility and she knows she’s there now but wants to know when my sister is coming home bc she doesn’t want to be alone forever. Idk. It’s quite possible your mom might believe she is at home after a few weeks. I almost wonder if it’s a survival mechanism our brain is wired to do….to keep us safe. It has to believe it is safe to turn off the sympathetic nervous system

  • Merla
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    how to quickly did your mom call the police? Did the police even come out on the memory care or call you?

    I don't know if it's a blessing in disguise but she forgot her phone charger so her phone will die if no one brings her a charger. The memory care place seems to prefer she not have a phone. This is hard because then I would have no idea how she is doing.

    What I remind myself is that she was unhappy living with my sibling. So it's not like we're tearing her away from a life she liked. She says she wants a nice quiet peaceful life, and memory care is going to offer her this.

  • sandwichone123
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    You can know how she's doing by calling the nurses station and asking. The information you will get from them will be much more objective than the information you get from your mother.

    For instance, if your mom is participating in a "name that tune" game in the day room and you call the desk, you will hear that she had a good breakfast and got cleaned up and is participating in a group activity. If you call your mom, even if you can hear the people around her, she might say that they're ignoring her and everyone hates her, or whatever her momentary feelings are at the moment she is distracted from the activity she was participating in.

    Fundamentally the task before both you and you mom is to trust the staff at the facility you have chosen. If you trust them, calling the desk can provide reassurance. If you do not trust them, you will also not trust their statement that she is adjusting well, or what issues she is experiencing.

  • kblau
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    it took my mom 10 days before she called the police. When they asked her for the address she went into the hall and asked the staff. So they were able to intercept the call. And stop them from coming to the facility. I set up Alexa in her room to drop in anytime and that wasn’t good. It got confusing for her. So idk if I would suggest that but it’s an option. It has a screen and I would drop in aka view it without her even knowing.

    Now, I call the facility to check in on her. I get generic answers like the other poster has said - mainly yes she is eating and taking her meds so therefore she’s good. I’m fortunate to live 6 minutes away that I try to go every other day and pop in to check on her.

    If you want her to be involved in the community I would ask to speak to the lifestyle coordinator and look at their calendar. Discuss with them what your goals are - to have her out and about for example and engaged. Then follow ups with them and ask what activities she’s been doing. The residents have the right to refuse going/doing but I would ask that she at least be asked and encouraged to do things.

  • Merla
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    I'm going to ask for the calendar of social events. My sibling took scouted out the mcf. It's a chain so I had seen a location by me which I really liked and has programs for less impaired people. However I think that he was so focused on just getting her there, he didn't really think about what it would be like when she was there. So getting the calendar of events seems obvious but he didn't do this. That being said the memory care with truly the full spectrum of care is rare.


    I get very basic updates like not exit seeking , in room, eating lunch and conversing with others etc. But when I call her, she is agitated but not yet at me as I'm tasked with getting her out of there.

  • Merla
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    10 days ugh!!! I'm really scared the worst is to come and not behind us when she realizes this isn't going to be a weekend stint in an old persons home.

  • VictoriaA
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    My Mom called the police in her 8th week in AL (almost 9th). The staff was able to intercept, but she ended up having a bad day that entire day. It was quite a challenge to get her to settle down after that incident.

    She was hoping to get out that way by telling the police she was being held without her will, etc.

    The facility called me to try to calm her down. She eventually accepted her prn medication (which she initially refused), but that ended up being just one of many issues that day.

    In hindsight, she had a rough night the night before. We don’t think she swallowed her nighttime meds, as she had been up for most of the night with insomnia. She was texting me comments full of rage, threatening to get out, and expressing her anger toward me for “putting her there” and claiming it was elder abuse, etc.

    The only time she was inactive on her phone was between 3-6am. Yes, she still texts. It’s full of spelling errors, looping accusations, begging and threats, but she still has her phone. From what people have shared here, I’m likely going to have to remove her phone sooner rather than later. I am coming to realize we all will be better without it. It’s not helping her (or any of us). But, this is for another thread.

    In any case, the quality of sleep matters when it comes to their behavior the next day! No doubt.

    But, my point was to share it took nearly 9 weeks for her to make that call and get the police on the line (since you had asked @kblau that question)…

    In the end, it turned out OK, so don’t worry.

    So many challenges for all of us! Every day is a new adventure. Every time I put out one fire, it seems another one shows up.

    Yesterday, the facility called me to report a resident witnessed her having a BM in front of the elevator. 😔 Seems like it never ends...

    I called her to calmly ask her about it, and she completely denied it.

    I’m still processing this one.

    Sorry for getting off topic here…

    In any case, I’m very grateful to have this community, and feeling a little embarrassed to hit ‘post’, but here it goes...

    You are not alone. We are all in this together.

  • VictoriaA
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    edited January 19

    Thank you for this. Yes, so much time, effort and energy we put forth to see that our PWDs are safe. We have done the work.

    From there, we can know we’ve done our best, and can release our attachment to the outcome, at least to the best of our ability. Like you said, their reaction, etc. is out of our control…and theirs!

  • Merla
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    I just hope we picked the right type of facility and in the right location. It's hard bc she is in her early 70s so younger than most people with her level of dementia. We chose a memory care facility which serves the full continuum of dementia though most people are older and Lower functioning than her. But people would have been older than her even in assisted living and I just didn't feel like assisted living facilities could deal effectively with her as most AL facilities consider her borderline to qualify for AL.

    I also know that most likely her wrath is coming towards me at some point. The staff told me to just deescalate her by letting her think I'm coming to get her out. So she doesn't get yet that technically as POA the decision was mine even though my sibling dropped her off.

    It's true that the worst is probably over but the he journey ahead is still hard. Up until this point I had no regrets about the decisions I made regarding her dementia but now I have some regret regarding her living in another state which is not something I anticipated.

  • Merla
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    I always assumed that she would end up by me as it seemed like the only viable option but other family turned out to be willing to support her when they realized she was truly sick. For 2 years I was the only one who was gravely worried and wanted to intervene, so I had thought I would carry the responsibility for her care on my own. It's a blessing that this is not the case because I found the responsibility for her care overwhelming due to my other non negotiable responsibilities of life.

  • kblau
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    Merla - I took over as POA a year ago, when my sister couldn’t put her in a facility. It was time. And like your mom she is 72. She lived w my sister prior. You are doing the right thing. Even if she is in another state - you still talk to her and are involved. I see my mom just about everyday. Her facility is in my town. It’s hard. It’s hard bc I feel like she’s right there, I should go and check on her. But it’s taxing on me and my family. And tbh she doesn’t remember when I come. I write it in a notebook that she carries around.

    She may never get angry at you for this. The fact she hasn’t yet is a good sign. When my mom called the cops 10 days in, it was because Her roommate moved in and her roommate was exit seeking.

    Give it time. The initial adjustment is hard. But it somehow works out.

    I would also suggest diffusing her if she ever says she wants to go home by asking her questions like - I know mom. What do you miss about home? Let her talk. Let her get it out. You’ll be surprised by how much this works…

  • Merla
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    I'm feeling a lot better about everything. I don't know if it is because she is receiving exceptional care but she adapted amazingly well within one week to the point where my sibling could visit with his family and have lunch with her. I was astounded at how quickly her emotions evolved.


    she does ask to leave whenever she calls me or anyone. However, she herself has reasons why she would never go back "home" ie terrible wildfires, crime etc so we can easily empathize with her about how sad it is her neighborhood has changed so much and how great it once was and how she enjoyed it so much.

    It's harder for me to hear about her asking to move by me which Is something she started saying just a week before we moved her into memory care not by me. This did throw me for a loop as I didn't expect to hear this request. She however is asking to move into a condo by me.

  • PastorB
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    Hi Merla, I know this is jumping in late into the game. You can't help feeling guilty and second-guessing yourself. "Did I make the right decision?" "Were things really as bad as they seemed before I placed her?" Others here have posted rightly that by the time you place an LO, they needed placement much earlier. This was true in our situation, but because of COVID, I could not have placed her sooner. What I found to be the best way out of the cycle of guilt I had in placing my DW was that her safety was seriously in question and I, alone, could not keep her safe even with caregivers coming to my home. I prayed and prayed. Our adult daughter and I talked about it for quite a long time. We made the decision together.

    After DW was admitted to MC, she never called the police but would call me several times a day with a detailed scenario she concocted to convince me she was unsafe. The facility she was in at the time was still locked down at the tail end of COVID, and I could not visit her. They arranged FaceTime calls, though, and the staff contacted me as often as necessary. I could also call in often. I knew underneath the guilty feelings that crept in ours was the right decision.

    A lot of prayer and focusing on why we made the placement decision helped tremendously in getting past the guilt. DW was NOT happy when she had to stop driving. She was NOT at all happy when I placed her. Both of those things HAD to happen for her care and safety.

  • wrutter1
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    Your situation is VERY similar to mine, except I am the local sibling and my brother lives across the country. We make a good team, he managing her finances and took care of selling her home, me managing her medical appts and personal needs. My mom is also in her 70's in the early middle phase (early Stage 5 ish), just formally diagnosed last month. For several reasons, my brother and I had not been close to her for many years. She was living in a different state from us and we got a call last Feb from a family member and were basically told something was wrong and we had to come help our mom, and then all hell broke loose. Long story short, within 30 days, we established dual POA, moved her to AL near me, she made it 5 weeks in AL before wandering out into traffic during morning rush hour, and was then forced onto the locked MC floor. She has been there since May, and with the structure and quality care she is receiving, she is actually now more lucid and fucntional than she has been in a long time. However, that too is a double edged sword. She now understands she has AZ and knows exactly what MC is, and she is NOT HAPPY. Everyone around her is in their 80s and much farther along in their disease process. She is quite verbasl and obviously the highest functioning person in her MC, and so she is acutely aware she has lost all her autonomy and there is nothing she can do about it. The guilt has been overwhelming at times, yet we know there is no other viable option for her. I also know that getting her into MC now will serve her well and keep her safe as the disease progresses. That being said, I know intellectually, we have done the right thing and she is safe and well cared for, but emotionally, I cant shake the sadness and guilt. So, if nothing else, I say this so you know you are not alone.

  • Merla
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    Wrutter,

    Our situations do sound similar except we had her go straight to memory care. She has been there a couple of weeks and like your mom memory care has served her well and she actually sounds so much more coherent than what she did a few weeks ago but now she is complaining about the other derranged mentally ill residents who scare her. This is hard to hear as it's pretty much true. I actually feel much more confident about my decision that she live near other family as I see how things are playing out and how much she blames my sibling so it's a blessing that she has other family nearby to visit. I feel better about my decision than I did a week ago because I have other pressing problems in my life and realistically I'm in no position to be my parent's everything. It's a huge responsibility that is best given to multiple people ideally who aren't in the midst of raising their own kids and dealing with a job.

    Our moms are at a similar stage in the disease. It's a hard one because they are less advanced in the disease than most in memory care but also are nowhere near being able to live on their own and having to my mom live with me was a full time job and she wasn't even happy here. It's sad but they are also being spared the devastating dangerous consequences to their lives like car accidents, scams, getting lost or hurt etc. A lot of my guilt has lifted recently. I feel like it comes in waves so likely your guilt will pass and then likely return and pass.

  • Merla
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    This sounds awful!!!!! I felt terrible because my parent said some other resident tried to enter her room and she felt threatened though it's possible that the resident just was confused.

    I just wish that our loved ones could be relatively content at memory care. My mom has good and bad weeks and is in the midst of a bad week. I definitely know we made the right decision but it would be nice if she were at peace and content. Besides knowing I made the right decision, it gives me some peace to realize that my parent wasn't happy living with me or my sibling and she only lasted a few days living on her own until she herself asked for help. So I don't see any option other than memory care. She also doesn't see that she needs support so it wasn't an option to hire an in home caregiver either.

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