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Leqembi/Kisunla

mmcbride
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My dad was recently diagnosed by his neurologist with Alzheimer's. He is 63 and is still considered to be in the "normal" to mild cognitive function.

His neurologist said he is a great candidate for Leqembi or Kisunla. We are having a hard time choosing between the two. Does anyone have any experience with either?

Our biggest concern is the financial side. If his insurance approves it we are still concerned that it won't cover all of it and that we will get bills and other unexpected expenses with these infusions.

Our concern is obviously if this is worth the risk of adverse effects. They both say that they can slow the progression. My dad is worried it's not worth the trouble and won't make that big of a difference, and could be more trouble than it's worth.

I know no one can know the future but does anyone have experience with either of these medications?

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  • allit
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    My wife was 64 when she was diagnosed with MCI with Alzheimer’s pathology. If you met her you wouldn’t know that she has any cognitive impairment so she’s in the very early stage. She decided she wanted to try lecanemab. We discussed side effects, limited benefits, and cost and made the choice to try it. She turned 65 right when they started the infusions and Medicare pays for it. She’s had some side effects but was also taking rivastigmine so that kind of complicated matters. So the neurologist took her off both the infusion and the rivastigmine. Symptoms resolved and her MRI and EEG looked ok, so she started getting the infusion again. We’re in a couple of support groups and met people who have been on lecanemab since it was approved so for at least a year now. They seem to be doing well so we’re encouraged by that.

    Since your dad is younger than my wife, your concern about cost is definitely valid. I don’t know if there’s a difference in cost between the two but Kisunla is only once a month so maybe the cost is less? Plus you can check with the companies that make the meds to see if they have a patient support program to help with cost.

    If your dad decides not to do the infusions, I’d say look into all the other things that can help improve his overall health and mental resilience. I’ve posted a couple of things here and found there are I think about 12 risk factors and some of them are lifestyle choices. So the basics like eat healthy (MIND diet is often mentioned), exercise, no smoking, limit alcohol, stay socially engaged…there’s also some studies showing a particular daily meditation can help.

    I wish you and your dad the best.

  • South Dakota Dave
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    Kisunla is more expensive, hard to get a price quote.

    I’d advise buying supplemental insurance as soon as possible for anyone getting Medicare as we save $1600+ every two infusions and our supplement is only $190 per month.

    Leqembi is testing an at home injection (much cheaper, avoids the transfusion cost) intended for FDA approval and shows 14% more plaque removal.

    If you have a question or concerns let me know.

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  • mmcbride
    mmcbride Member Posts: 2
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    Do you have a link or any where you recommend that I can look up the at home injections for Leqembi?

  • allit
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    The at home injection would be the subcutaneous form that has not yet been approved by the FDA. Our neurologist says it’ll probably get approval later this year. He said even if it does, patients may still have to get infusions first then transition to the subcutaneous injection.

  • allit
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    https://www.neurologylive.com/view/eisai-formally-submits-bla-subcutaneous-autoinjector-lecanemab

  • LBC83
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    Previous posts have identified three key parameters for Leqembi / Kisunla: Freqeuncy (bi-weekly IV for Leqembi vs monthly IV for Kisunla), effectivity in slowing degradation (27% slowing for Leqembi vs 29% for Kisunla in terms of the Clinical Dementia Rating - Sum of Boxes scoring for cognition), and cost (Leqembi seems cheaper).

    The best website I've seen for comparing the two is at the link below



    This site notes another difference is in the risk of ARIA (swelling or bleeding in your brain). During the Phase 3 drug trials, Kisunla had a somewhat higher incidence rate of ARIA compared to Leqembi.

    Towards the bottom, the site also notes an important difference between the two that impacts the overall costs - the duration of the treatment. For Leqembi, it seems the recommendation is to continue dosing until such point that the disease has progressed to an advanced stage. The apparent idea is that Leqembi is reducing the amyloid in your brain, but this is not so important if there is severe cognitive decline. For Kisunla, treatment can stop when the amyloid plaque is reduced to minimal levels based on PET imaging.

    One item not mentioned in the article but which I think may be important is the dosage. Leqembi dosage is 10 mg per kg of body weight. My Leqembi infusions are for 600 mg of Leqembi, as my body weight is around 145 pounds (about 65 kg), and 65 x 10 = 650 (I guess they round down to the nearest 100 mg to get 600 mg for my dosage). Kisunla has a fixed dosage: 700 mg for the first 3 doses and 1400 mg for subsequent doses. So if you have higher than normal body weight, you would be getting lower than normal doses of Kisunla. But if you are skinny, you would receive higher than normal doses. This is perhaps not a big deal, unless you are really thin or really heavy.

  • LBC83
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    Eisai (Japanese company that developed Leqembi in conjunction with Biogen, a U.S. company) issued a press release in August 2024 where they detailed their long-term plans for the subcutaneous (SC) injection. They wrote "The SC formulation (including initiation and maintenance dosing) received Fast Track designation from the U.S. FDA."

    Separately, Eisai submitted an application to the FDA for IV maintenance dosing with Leqembi, they are expecting a decision from the FDA on January 25, 2025 (i.e. 11 days from now).

    "For SC initiation dosing, we aim to obtain regulatory approval by … March 2026"

    Also on the Eisai website (the section for investors - full disclosure: I purchased shares in Eisai so I'm considered an investor), they indicate that the weekly dose of 360mg allows self-administration or administration by caregivers at home / site of care. Eisai indicates that another Japanese company (Terumo) makes the subcutaneous injector they plan to use for Leqembi. This injector has a tapered needle, improved safety with a plastic syringe, and the convenience of being able to administer within 15 seconds. On the Terumo webiste, they explain their goal is to make "easy subcutaneous injection easy for everyone." They have patented their ultra-thin needle shape that cuts the skin instead of puncturing the skin, thus resulting in less force needed to insert the needle (and less pain). Their original goal was apparently to make daily injections less painful for children with diabetes. Eisai apparently plans to use this device for Leqembi as well.

    So to sum up, maybe sometime in the summer of 2026, people starting on Leqembi can chose to either receive an infusion or a subcutaneous shot when they start treatment. Somewhere in between January 25 and the summer of 2026, the FDA could approve the Leqembi application for subcutaneous maintenance shots. After that FDA approval, people on the maintenance dose of Leqembi may be able to receive the subcutaneous shot instead of an IV.

    https://www.eisai.com/news/2024/news202459.html

Commonly Used Abbreviations


DH = Dear Husband
DW= Dear Wife, Darling Wife
LO = Loved One
ES = Early Stage
EO = Early Onset
FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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