Talking with others in early stage dementia
Talking with others in early stage dementia
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I've diagnosed last fall and I'm still adjusting. No driving, weird dreams,a few nightmares
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Hi, I was diagnosed in 2021 with amnestic mci then dementia . I am in the early stages of dementia and it’s moving slowly. Thank G-D!!!!!
I am on Aricept. I have been doing the neurocognitive testing yearly since that time.
Please let me know if I can answer any questions, if I remember!!
Welcome Nanette!!
Deborah
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Dagnosed early this year with vascular dementia. On Aricept and Namenda for brain health. Zoloft, Remeron and rispartane for depression related to the dementia (so the Dr says). It's all a journey.
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This is my first time on here. I was diagnosed with Vascular Dementia Three months ago.
I'm scared to death, confused, worried all day f the time, s cond guessing EVERYTHING, and I cry all of the time. The one thing I do know is I can't just sit here and watch my 🧬 fe go away. My precious memori s, my beautiful family.... I just don't know how to fight back. Or try to make the transition easier on my kids...
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I was diagnosed last fall with ALZHEIMERS and it scared the hell out of me a d still does. I too worry about my wife and family. I was afraid to tell my kids but they understand what I am Going through.
if you have not told your kids tell them they will understand and be there for you. If you just want to talk I will listen.
You are going through everything I've gone through and still going through. I still have days when I cry alone and get down in the dumps. So just remember that you are not alone.
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Welcome to this online support group, tlmead. It is scary to get a dementia diagnosis. You feel alone. But there are steps you can take to ease your journey. Being proactive can help. Please keep posting and communicating with the members.
Iris
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I was recently diagnosed with EOA, Aug. 16,2023, but have had symptoms for 2-3 years. I'm wondering if you know of therapist specially for patients with ALZ?0
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Welcome avballester. You are on our online support group. I believe that peer support is vital for PWDs. The Alzheimer's Association provides free counseling from a Care Consultant, who can answer questions and give guidance. They are skilled in family dynamics.
Some local chapters offer a Memory Club, which is an in-person support group for PWD.
You might be directed towards a local therapist. But be certain of what you are asking of a therapist. Most of them are unaware of the nuances of a dementia diagnosis.
Please feel free to post often, and to keep us updated on how you are doing.
Iris
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I’m doing fine. Memory good as is where with all
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Any suggestions?
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Suggestions about what, Richard?
Iris
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So yesterday I got my diagnosis of mild to moderate Alzheimers. (M72) with underlying conditions, HBP, high cholesterol, history of heart problems. The diagnosis was made upon the results of a PET scan, read by a highly acclaimed radiologist. My next step is to take the cognitive test, written and verbal, which I took 2 years ago. Based on those results I may have several more options.
My wife and adult children have been informed and are absorbing the news. They were all aware of my condition. I am taking Memantine and Donepezil which are both helping me. We are meeting with our estate attorney and financial advisor in September. I’m not going to become a financial or emotional burden to anyone. When I begin to lose my memories I will cease to be me, and will not continue on that journey. The only unknown is the fact that there’s no timeline for my progression of my loss of memory. Some I may go 10 years without getting demonstrably worse, others have the door shut on them within mere months. While I hope for the former I dread the latter.
I am hopeful that some of you that are experiencing this same situation will have some insight and help to guide me through this process. I have done all the testing over the past several years, and am recognizing this disease. I have open and honest with not only my family but also friends. My first thoughts are to begin hand written journal to document my experiences. Have any of you done that? If so, what are the positive and negatives. If not, why not? We, my wife and I have been slowly declutter Ing our house. We have been here 22 years and will remain until it becomes untenable. Anyway, I look forward to making new friends to share this with, god bless.3 -
I was just diagnosed 16Aug24, I’ve had symptoms for a least a year and a half maybe longer, and just starting my journey. I’ve not been prescribed any meds yet, I’ll be going to Vanderbilt for more testing next month. I’m 56 years young and I’m fully aware of the end game, mom had “Alz” as well. I’m looking interested to hearing how your meds are working for you long term.
I’ve started cleaning our house as well and revisiting my insurance policies. I’ve no idea how long I’ve got but I do know I want peace of mind, knowing I won’t be a burden my family.
AVB
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Hello-it is early and you definitely need to take time to mourn the loss of what you thought your life was going to be. Be gentle with yourself and feel your feelings. Then make sure that you do whatever you can to be as healthy as possible. The disease may be slowed with new healthy habits. Think about what you enjoy and can still do and love yourself by doing something that feeds your mind, body and soul. It has been a year and a half since my diagnosis of young onset Alzheimer’s. I have an amazing support group and that helps too. Sending hugs and good energy.
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Nanetteshapiro welcome to the new world of adaption like you never would have conceived of. i was diagnosed with aheimers last year.. i continue, strict,routene so that the coffee is ready for my wife in the morning. oh yes the forgetting in mid stream, note s, lots of notes. just go and do. i have learned to try to teach people about my ad . am working on a series of art work to explain ad visually. i paint every day and adapt every day because that's what the alzheimers world is. like an old friend waiting every morning
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Can anyone recommend a workbook or planner for "getting your affairs in order," when you have young onset? I have no spouse so I need to get going on things before I decline more.
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Jordana, as far as I know there is no workbook. I learned what to do for myself by reading the suggestions from the members here. The main Alzheimer's Association page has suggestions of what to do. You can ask to speak with a Care Consultant at the Helpline for personalized advice and referral to local resources. The service is free and the number is 1-800-272-3900.
Iris
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When I became the Executor for my Mom's estate, I purchased the book "The Executor's Handbook" by Hughes and Klein, 4th edition. This advice may sound backwards, but chapter 3 is titled "Strategies Before Death". The authors recommend preparing a "Letter of Instruction", which I had never heard of. The suggested topics for the Letter of Instruction include: Emergency information (people to notify, location of will, financial power of attorney, health care power of attorney, other emergency info), available money (checking / savings accounts, CDs), sources of current income (employment, pension, dividends, interest, annuity), pension / retirement accounts, securities (stocks, bonds, mutual funds), real estate, any business interests, vehicles / boats, home inventory / valuables, insurance (life, homeowner, medical, vehicle, disability, annuity), Money / Tax / Legal advisors, tax records (current year, past year), credit cards, what you owe (monthly bills, rent), what's owed you, burglar alarms, locked places / keys, hiding places, medical information, memorabilia / things (photos, letters, movies/videos), personal documents (birth certificate, passport, drivers license), personal information (employment history, education, significant relationships), your family, death plans, estate matters / will
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Thank you so much! I am turning your message into a to do list for myself. I live alone and my son is only 19 so I want everything to be organized and clear for him if he needs to help me.
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What I have learned from Leqembi:
If you feel you might have Alzheimer’s do not wait for it, every day is important.
Find a good neurologist (or to start, could be a psychologist). This likely will be hard to do but reach out to local Alzheimer's groups, state associations etc. Then get on the phone. My Dr. said “we have a great psychologist, and she is only 13 months out” the day we heard that we got on the phone, and we got a good one in less than one month, that got me on the way to get Leqembi.
When our local hospital botched the required Lumbar Puncture and tried to bury it, we drove 635 miles to Mayo Clinic, Rochester MN. Best thing we ever did. Be very careful because the local medical community may not be able to give necessary care.
For anyone that has Medicare, I’d suggest getting a good health supplement also. Reason: Medicare pays for Leqembi (great!) but the required infusions are not covered. In my state (South Dakota USA), the cost for that is $1600 each month. BUT our supplement covers it 100% with only a $190 cost each month.
I have been on Leqembi for one year now and I can help with that as needed also.
Good News: Leqembi is testing an at home injection system (much cheaper, avoids most of the transfusion cost) intended for FDA approval and shows 14% more plaque removal.
If you have a question or concerns let me know.
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I am also on Leqembi, I recently had my 15th infusion).
Regarding home injections, the story is somewhat more complex.
Eisai (the name of the Japanese company that lead the development of Leqembi, in conjunction with Biogen - a U.S. company) started a "rolling" submission to the FDA in March 2024 for approval of the IV maintenance dosing for Leqembi. The maintenance dosing is for after the initial dosing period. The final application was completed in June 2024, and the FDA set an action date for this application on January 25, 2025 (i.e. a week from Saturday - the FDA apparently works on weekends?).
As noted above, Eisai has also been developing a subcutaneous (SC) shot for the initial dosing of Leqembi as well as the maintenance dosing. In an agreement with the FDA, Eisai initiated a rolling submission and review for the SC maintenance dosing in May 2024. In parallel, Eisai held discussions with the FDA regarding optimal dosage and the fastest regulatory pathway for SC initiation dosing. In Nov 2024, Eisai completed the rolling application for FDA approval of the SC autoinjector for weekly maintenance dosing. Quoting from the Eisai press release on this topic:"If approved by the FDA, the Leqembi autoinjector could be used to administer Leqembi at home or at medical facilities, and the injection is expected on average to take about 15 seconds. As part of the SC autoinjector 360 mg weekly maintenance regimen under review, patients who have completed the biweekly IV initiation phase would receive weekly doses that maintain effective drug concentrations to sustain the clearance of highly toxic protofibrils which can continue to cause neuronal injury even after the amyloid-beta plaque has been cleared from the brain." (see link below for the full press release)
I'm not so sure that I'd be able to give myself a Leqembi shot (I'm not a bit fan of needles). On their website, Eisai notes that "the weekly dose of 360mg allows self-administration or administration by caregivers at home/site of care. Terumo's subcutaneous-AI has the advantages of reducing pain with a tapered needle, improved safety with a plastic syringe, and the convenience of being able to administer within 15 seconds."
Terumo is another Japanese company, their goal is to make "subcutaneous injection easy for everyone." Terumo has patented an ultra-thin needle shape that cuts the skin instead of puncturing the skin, thus resulting in less force needed to insert the needle (and less pain). Their original goal was apparently to make daily injections less painful for children with diabetes. Eisai apparently plans to use this device for Leqembi as well.
More info about the subcutaneous injection can be found at:
https://diabetes.terumo.com/technology_solution_01/
The Eisai Nov 2024 press release regarding SC maintenance dosing can be found at:
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We're looking into Leqembi for my DW. You said you were on your 15th infusion. What is the time period you have been on it? What side effects did you or are still having? I'm worried about the side effects and weighing if Leqembi is worth doing, The hospital where we would do the infusions has only 9 patients, and have been administrating for 6 months, Not much feedback from this so far.
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My 1st infusion was June 24, 2024. I have had zippo side effects from Leqembi. I had my infusion this morning, early this afternoon I ran an 10K on an indoor track at our community fitness center.
I've also been posting to the Leqembi Support Group in Facebook. There are 167 members. A few members have posted about their initial reactions to the infusions, which were similar to those reported in the Phase 3 trials with Leqembi (i.e. "infusion-related reaction" which can be headache, nauseous, etc). Below is a table from the paper published on the Phase 3 drug trial for Leqembi. This table lists all of the side effects. The biggest concern is ARIA.0 -
If you enjoy reading semi-technical information, then you might be interested in this 2024 paper: "Initial Experience with Leqembi and Lessons Learned in 71 Patients at a Regional Medical Center".
The paper documents the results from the first 71 patients treated with Leqembi at the Norton Neuroscience Institute Memory Center in Louisville, KY.
First their screening process. They had 1249 new patients evaluated at their Memory Center over six months. 81 were excluded as they were not diagnosed with AD, MCI, memory loss, and/or dementia. Among the 1168 left, a whopping 1054 were excluded for a variety of reasons: Leqembi exclusion criteria (things like history of active cancer, severe psychiatric or depressive disorders, currently pregnant, unstable medical conditions, severe vascular dementia, more than 4 microhemorrhages per an MRI, stroke in the past 12 months, currently taking warfarin or vitamin K antagonists or direct oral anticoagulants or heparin or has acute thrombolytics or clotting disorders); moderate or severe dementia; patient refusal due to fear of potential risk of infusion complications such as ARIA, patient perception of risk factors of Leqembi versus its benefits, lived a long distance from infusion center, cost, burden of infusions every 2 weeks.
This left 114 people who underwent lumbar punctures to confirm AD biomarkers. 43 were then excluded due to negative cerebral spinal fluid biomarkers for AD or due to patient refusal to be treated.
Patients also had a PET scan, and a baseline pre-Leqembi MRI.
That left 71 people to be treated with Leqembi (again, out of the starting pool of 1249 people who came to the center).
The results presented in the paper are as follows:
The mean age of their first 71 patients was 72 years old, ranging from 49-90, 62% were female. 76% were referred to their Memory Center by their primary care provider. Many had other problems like hypertension (48%), high cholesterol (72%), diabetes (24%), and cardiovascular disease (31%). Regarding APOE4 gene type, 13% were homozygotes and 51% were heterozygous (I'm heterozygous), the rest didn't have the APOE4 gene. 86% were already on donepezil, 56% already on memantine. Of the 50 patients who made it to the 1st MRI following infusions, 24% had ARIA detected. Of the 12 with ARIA, 9 had no symptoms, 4 were APOE4 homozygotes and 6 were APOE4 heterozygotes.
37% had infusion reactions after their first infusion: headaches (12 patients) shaking / chills / rigors (11 patients). 88% of these 26 people with infusion reactions (23 people) reported the side effects either at the infusion center or within the first 24 hours post-infusion. One patient died shortly after the first Leqembi infusion of a myocardial infarction. They reported "It is uncertain whether or not this death was related to Leqembi treatment."
While they started with 71 patients at the first infusion, things progressed as follows:
- 67 patients (i.e. 4 dropped out after the 1st infusion), 12 had a headache, 11 had shaking / chills / rigors, 4 body aches, 3 were nauseous, there were 9 more side effects which 2 or less people reported
- 58 for the 3rd infusion, 2 had headaches, 5 others each had different reactions (such as shaking, nausea, vomiting)
- 50 for the 4th infusion, 2 people reported side effects including headaches, shaking, flu-like symptoms, dizziness, "getting lost" at night / confusion
- 41 for the 5th infusion, 2 people reported headaches, balance problems
- 31 for the 6th infusion, 2 people reported leg pain and dizziness
- 27 for the 7th infusion, 1 patient reported body aches
- 22 for the 8th infusion, nobody reported problems
- 20 for the 9th infusion, no problems
- 17 for the 10th infusion, no problems
- 12 for the 11th infusion, no problems
- 7 for the 12th infusion, no problems
- 2 for the 13th infusion, no problems
- 1 for the 14th infusion, no problems
It seems remarkable to me that they started with 71 people at the 1st infusion and ended up with 1 for the 14th infusion! They don't talk much in the paper about why so many folks dropped out.
Here is a link to the abstract for the paper at a U.S. gov't website. If you want to see the full paper, click on a link on the upper right labeled "Full Text Links"0
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DH = Dear Husband
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FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
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