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Introduction and Question

annasusko
annasusko Member Posts: 1 Member

Hello!
Grateful for this group. Here I go. Introduction, Question, and probably too much background for one post.

My father passed away in December 2024 while my mom was in ICU. Since her discharge, I've transitioned her to Assisted Living in the town where I grew up/they continued to reside—location per her wishes. ( I've lived on the opposite coast for 4 decades.) It wasn't until recent months that her doctor and I decided to take her to have cognitive / memory testing done. Turns out that she is between stage 3 and 4 and it explains the paranoia, the constant misplacing of items, inability to keep track of her affairs, losing track of her account passwords, and the jekyll/hyde communication swings.

I'm an only child and 1st generation, so we also have a cultural chasm to add to the scenario.
("Asian kids don't send their parents to senior living"—I know this is no longer true, if it ever was. ) Mom has had a lifelong aversion to the topic of mental health. My family and I are based on the opposite coast, but I have been visiting every 6-8 weeks since the year began. My son is neurodivergent and is situated in his school, so there is no option to move closer to her, and it does not make sense to relocate her away from her friends and relatives.

Question for the group: The social worker told me that I should just go along with any stories that mom tells, and not feel guilty about taking the actions needed to keep her safe. What do you all do when the stories are about staff members stealing from her, lying to the friends about the DMV deciding to NOT revoke her license per doctor's orders etc? I have POA for all affairs, and am in the processing of taking the car away, and locking her out of her house, so that she does not try to go back when new occupants move in. I stay with her at her AL for 4 days everytime I visit, so I know the staff is great, and I do not want to see anyone get fired because of her claims.

Feeling tons of guilt and also worried about the 1-2 unsupportive relatives who may believe her stories and contest the POA that is in place. I was told by the social worker that the POA could not be contested because the documents were created in 2019 and updated the month after my father passed away + the memory care testing results and recommendations. Is this true? In the process of meeting/hiring an estate attorney who might actually want to help me. The estate attorney who created/updated the documents has made it clear that he has too many clients to help me on a long-term basis.

Unfortunately, I have been consumed with thoughts about my mom's situation, in fear that she will actually try to move back home, with some distant relatives helping her do this.

And for the days leading up to Mother's Day today, mom 1) misplaced her phone, claimed that she probably dropped it into her garbage can by mistake and is accusing a specific staff person of keeping the phone instead of returning it. 2) called a family friend to make a special trip out to help her pickup the last piece of furniture from the house that she wanted, and then changed her mind when they went to the garage. 3) telling everyone she is in big trouble with the DMV because she did not change her address, but nothing about having to give up the car. 4) told her friends that she yelled at the doctor about her cognitive results being sent to the DMV to revoke her license, and that the doctor then changed their mind and told her she could continue to drive.

For my mental health, I decided today to mute her text messages so that I can focus on my household and work obligations. I messaged to her iPad wishing her a Happy Mother's Day and letting her know that she is probably in less trouble with the DMV than she thinks, but also reminding her of our love and concern for everyone's safety. She wrote a short and loving reply, and that 's a win for today.

Happy Mother's Day to all of us today. I hope you do one kind thing for yourself today.

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  • SusanB-dil
    SusanB-dil Member Posts: 1,413
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    Hi anasusko - welcome to 'here', but sorry for the reason.

    That is a lot to handle, and I'm sure others will chime in, but to start... you can still sympathize with mom when she 'accuses'. You could say something like 'oh, we will certainly check into that', or 'I'll try to help you find it'.

    Is there a relative or friend who truly knows the situation with mom that would be willing to step up with support when you are not there? Perhaps even a few who would be able to keep the unsupportive ones at bay?

    Glad you got a nice message back from her.

    So sorry you are dealing with 'this'

  • harshedbuzz
    harshedbuzz Member Posts: 5,107
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    Hi and welcome.

    I am sorry you have a need to be here but pleased you found this place.

    It's difficult to be sandwiched as you are at the moment. And it's difficult dealing with unsupportive family members who think they know better than you do. But probably the biggest challenge you will have going forward is distance. IMO, it is simply unworkable to act as POA from the other side of the country. As she progresses, ideally you will want to be able to meet an ambulance at the hospital should she be sent after a fall or because of an illness.

    I'd move her out to your area while that is still possible. If you can't make that happen, you could hire a senior care manager to be your eyes & ears at the facility since family are not supportive.

    HB

  • ARIL
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    I wish you a good Mother’s Day as well, and I appreciate your impulse to be so kind to all the folks on this forum.

    In reading your post, my first observation is that you are doing well and acting in your mother’s best interests. I send sympathy as you grieve the death of your father, and empathy as you and your mother begin a new chapter in your and her lives.

    You asked about the stories. If the staff at your mom’s AL are experienced with cognitive decline, they will recognize all this for what it is. The relatives and friends may need more instruction. I’d start with something like this: “I know you are concerned about my mother. I am too. But I am staying with her often, and I have seen enough to trust the staff.” Rinse and repeat with whatever the theme may be. I am paying very close attention, I have looked into situation X, my mother is grieving and having problems of her own. (This will work with some people, but not everyone.)

    What to say to your mother is tough, because you have to change patterns developed over a lifetime. It is typically pointless to argue and correct. More creative solutions can help: I called the DMV, and everything is OK. When I visit next time, we’ll look for [lost item]. Would you like to do [fun thing] when I visit? Whatever might distract or redirect into less worry can be helpful.

    I am an only child who tried to manage my parent’s decline from far away for several years; I am not of Asian descent, but I do come from a regional culture where caring for parents in one’s home is socially expected. My unsolicited advice is this: You may need to talk to yourself and be open to the idea that this journey will evolve and may have several stages. Your mother may need memory care; it may become less important to keep her near her old home and more important to have her near you. Some relatives and friends may be helpful; others may just like drama and try to whip it up as often as possible. Please remember that it is OK to consider your own needs as part of the calculus.

    There are no easy answers. But remember that you are doing good things, even heroic things. Consult with the attorney; I suspect the social worker is right, but you will want to hear that from a professional. I know from my own experience that consulting an elder law attorney can bring peace of mind. We all deserve peace of mind.

    Wishing you well.

  • sandwichone123
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    How supportive are the friends/relatives that are nearby? Do they visit? Are they undermining your decisions? She may still do better being close to you. It's almost guaranteed that the time will come that you need to move her, so you might want to start looking into options in your area sooner rather than later.

    For stories about the staff, I say, "Oh my!" or "Wow, I can't believe it!" but I do not approach staff or question them about it. If she wants follow up action about the DMV, agree, but not right now, for whatever reason, it's the weekend or holiday, they're closed today, their power went out—whatever.

  • Quilting brings calm
    Quilting brings calm Member Posts: 2,787
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    I’d move her closer to you:

    It gets her away from the friends and relatives that won’t support you

    It gets her closer to you so that you aren’t traveling every few weeks. This is a marathon- you need her where it’s not a plane ride away every time you need to go see her. Make life easier for you.

  • SDianeL
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    welcome. You posted that she is in AL. Is she in MC? If not she should be. It’s a locked facility that can better care for dementia patients. I would also recommend moving her close to you. As the disease progresses, having her friends near won’t matter. Sadly, many will stop visiting then. Soon your Mom may need 24/7 care. It would be easier to manage that if she was closer to you. Learn all you can about dementia. Read the book “The 36 Hour Day” and search for Tam Cummings videos online. Find an Elder Care Attorney who can answer your questions. Learn to fib. If she’s losing her phone, time to make it disappear. It’s common for dementia patients to throw things away. Tell her that her phone broken and you’re getting it repaired. The facility will call you if anything happens. They may have a phone she can use to call you once a day. Your Mom is having hallucinations, delusions and confabulations. Talk to the facility about what she is saying but let them know you are aware she is having delusions and you do not believe the statements are true. Talk to her doctor about medications that may help. Come here often for info and support.

  • H1235
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    Welcome. I can’t imagine how you could keep this up. I would think moving her now would be easier than later. Sadly there will come a time when she doesn’t know what state she is in anymore, but at that point I think the move will be very difficult. I believe there is someone here who moved their loved one under the pretense that it was just a visit. That might be a though one for her to buy into, but it might be worth a try. Is there some other excuse you a use to get her to you? Is the family supportive or are they causing problems? Some people have a hard time seeing the full extent of symptoms. Have you taken over finances? This may be the time. I would not worry about the stories she is telling. IMO no need to talk with staff as long as you are comfortable the stories have no foundation.

  • MN Chickadee
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    edited May 13

    The social worker is right to go along with whatever she says. The basic communication techniques for dementia involve saying whatever brings peace and comfort in the moment. Therapeutic fibs, validating emotions. Say I'm sorry that happened, I will look into it. Distract. The staff are likely used to it from other residents and will brush it off. If you hare concerned it will affect someoen, have a care conference with the head nurse next time you are there and discuss this angle so everyone is on the same page. The relatives who may believe her allegations need to read up on dementia. If them going after the POA is actually a threat, I would retain an attorney in her state just to stay on top of it. It should be fine, but could be a headache to deal with it in court.

    In the interim, a geriatric care manager may help if the funds are there to be your eyes and ears on the ground. In the long term I would most certainly move her to your area. Family and friends fall away in the later stages. People think they will stick around but they tend to start disappearing as the person becomes more combative, more incontinent, less conversational, less herself. Even if this were not the case in this instance, there is no substitute for being near the POA. If your experience is anything close to normal there will come a time when you need to be able to get to the AL facility and/or the emergency room in short order, and do so often. In stages 5 and 6 I was needed at the facility many times, and met the ambulance at the ER at least a half a dozen times. When a PWD is enroute the the emergency room and doesn't know their medical history, can't advocate for themselves or even accurately communicate where pain is, the POA needs to be there immediately. Falls and injuries become very common in the middle and late stages. My mother was sent to the hospital from memory care for numerous falls, a seizure caused by the Alzheimers, and other things. Also, eventually your mom is unlikely to know where she is. They retreat into their minds and own little world, so usually it doesn't really matter where the facility is, it's all kind of the same to them eventually. They quit registering the climate or weather, what the year is or who is around them. Often caregivers wait too long, and it becomes a total debacle to move the person across the country. Flying becomes impossible (incontinence, needing help in the toilet, not having appropriate behavior, messing up TSA rules, anxiety and fear, the list goes on.) Driving takes days or weeks and many helpers. Some families even end up having to hire medical transport vans or planes at great expense. This has been discussed in these forums from people in very similar situations. Doing it when she can still participate may be the best option. Find the right fib. It's a visit, it's for the holidays, it's during fire season or the hot season or the cold season or whatever. Forget what anyone thinks. There will always be relatives who don't understand dementia or are judgmental; you have to do what is right for you and mom and not worry about them. Also happiness can be fleeting in the middle stages of dementia no matter how hard you try. Even a person who is living in their original home with their spouse can become very unhappy, suspicious of their family, and often starts to not even recognize the place, they want their childhood home or some other place of contentment that lives in their mind. Happiness can be elusive. Safety and well cared for becomes the priority. I'm sorry you are going through this. It's likely the hardest journey you will ever weather. Let us know how it goes and come back and ask questions.

Commonly Used Abbreviations


DH = Dear Husband
DW= Dear Wife, Darling Wife
LO = Loved One
ES = Early Stage
EO = Early Onset
FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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