Why isn't the cavalry coming?



Warning: Rant coming
When my dear sister had cancer she was seen immediately by an oncologist. The social worker introduced himself and explained to us both about the support available to her. Whenever she or I expressed an interest in any of their programs or had a question someone called us within a day or two to see what they could do to help. There's a whole building devoted to cancer care through our local hospital and another across town that's part of another group of hospitals. BIG buildings!
My husband has dementia. Here's what is offered. 6 month wait to see a neurologist. PCP and his other doctors won't even talk about it. I woke up this morning to find toilet paper strewn all over the bathroom floor (clean, thank goodness), kitchen drawers reorganized (which means mixed up and not organized at all), husband telling me to throw away the slow cooker because "this guy is gonna kill me"...
So, who do i call? PCP left the practice and new PCP wants to see him but DH has refused any appointments for the last 2 months. We have scheduled, rescheduled and canceled 13 appointments with various labs and providers in the past 2 months because the day of the appointment he is in too much pain or just feels sick. (He's always better shortly after I cancel)
I know the cavalry is not coming, but why not? So many people's lives are being ripped apart by this cruel disease but the medical community is MIA.
Thanks for reading. It was either this or scream, but I was afraid I'd panic DH and all my neighbors.
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I have wondered the same thing myself. I have read how some doctors take a pessimistic view specializing in dementia. Like it is the black hole of medicine. Lot's of effort for very little results. Doctors want to practice in areas where they can see the results of their efforts.
Another term I ran across was therapeutic nihilism :
Therapeutic nihilism in dementia is the belief that there's no effective treatment for the condition, leading to a lack of interest in addressing the disease or its symptoms. This belief can result in delayed diagnosis, undertreatment, and inadequate support for individuals and their families
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I agree. We are left hanging to fend for ourselves. It breaks us emotionally, physically and financially.
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I agree; I was in shock for about a year .
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In a word or two: it sucks
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I think @Timmyd nailed. Relatively speaking, cancer— for lack of a better word— is sexy. There's an opportunity to make huge impact in the lives and outcomes of their patients which appeals. For dementia, beyond delivering a devastating diagnosis, there is little to offer medically. There aren't enough specialists which results in long waits for appointments.
Ideally, you start with the PCP to rule out treatable causes of similar conditions. It's not super common but both my parents had something treatable— dad had a Thiamine deficiency related to alcohol use disorder (he had Alzheimer's as well) and mom had Lyme Disease (treatment improved her memory and concentration a lot).
I would not inform your DH of the appointment ahead of time. I'd promise a high value treat (let's go for ice cream or whatever his currency is) and make an impromptu stop at the doctor's office "to renew a prescription for you" on the way. This non-compliance could make it difficult to get appointments going forward. You need to make this happen.
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Doctors like to fix things. (Don't we all.) It has to be immensely frustrating for a doctor to diagnose dementia in a patient, knowing there's really not much they can do.
Humor (I hope):
Patient P walks into a doctor's office (D) and describes some very odd symptoms.
D: Gee, I've never encountered a case like yours, and frankly I don't know how to help.
P: Doctor, you've got to help me. This illness is driving me crazy.
D: As, I said, I don't know how to help.
P: Come on doctor, there must be something you can do.
D: Well, okay. Do this. Take off your shirt and pour some of this water over your body. Walk over to the window and open it, then lean out.
P: That's nuts. It's winter. It's freezing out. If I do that, I'll catch pneumonia.
D: Right. That I can cure.
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I am so thankful that we have a is willing to give us a diagnosis because yeah were told that there was a nine month wait for have an appointment until January and he’s already like forgetting what he’s saying it with no interruptions and having no idea what he’s supposed to say so like crazy anyways I’m sorry you’re dealing with that and I’m thinking the same thing like the brain is arguably one of with the heart to be replaced the brain might be the most important and there’s like no help or urgency. It’s crazy.
like seriously I had a foot scan and you how precise they had my foot position, but brain scan they are like “eh, it’s good enough”
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*we have a psychiatrist
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I heard on a video (I think Tam Cummings) That peoples including doctors would react much differently if the diagnoses was brain cancer. The difference between this and brain cancer is that with the cancer there is hope of being able to beat it and with this there is no hope of ever winning. I have thought about that perception difference and get mad. If my wife had cancer all her friends and siblings would be all supportive and caring with Alzheimers there is crickets.
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@jehjeh said:
When my dear sister had cancer she was seen immediately by an oncologist. The social worker introduced himself and explained to us both about the support available to her. Whenever she or I expressed an interest in any of their programs or had a question someone called us within a day or two to see what they could do to help. There's a whole building devoted to cancer care through our local hospital and another across town that's part of another group of hospitals. BIG buildings!
I think this is, to some degree, an apples & oranges comparison. There is a sense of urgency around cancer. Timely identification and treatment can be the difference between a cure, living with a disease or death. Even the newest infusion meds, which are only indicated for MCI/early stage with evidence of Alzheimer's, can deliver only a delay progression by a matter of months.
Support is another issue. By the time most PWD are diagnosed, most kinds of support groups or individual supportive mental health therapy is not particularly effective around mood. And many PWD have anosognosia and would bristle at the suggestion that they'd benefit from supportive help like talk therapy. Memory Cafes are one option for PWD and a spouse/child/friend to attend together but they can be hard to find.
The type of support most caregivers need most is of a custodial nature— someone to spend time engaging their LO in order that they might attend to their own needs. This doesn't fall under the umbrella of medicine. It can be hard to find this kind of help for free. Even close friends and family members find it hard— for a whole host of reasons— to step in and help. Some PWD are not rewarding to be around and don't express any kind of gratitude.
Another difference is that people, as a group, do not focus this on this as a cause. Those big buildings are almost always named for a major donor. These tend to be people who fund cancer research and treatment in thanks or in memory. In many communities there are smaller grass-roots groups who fundraise to offer support having been through the cancer experience. You don't see that as much among those touched by dementia. Most family-survivors seem to just want to put it behind them.
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It’s not just the lack of support, it’s doctors total and complete lack of understanding. Moms sleep doctor spent 10 min explaining to mom (with dementia and in her chart) how to change the settings on her cpap machine 🙄. The optometrist suggested cataract surgery with no inquiries at all regarding the state or symptoms of her dementia. Her past pcp switched her medication around all the time relying solely on moms complaint of the day vs looking at past notes to see why she was put on the medication to begin with or taken off it. Don’t even get me started on the hearing aids (I don’t take her there anymore). Strangely her dentist is the best. I suspect he has been through this. Shouldn’t there be some kind of basic understanding and maybe some training in how pwd need to be treated a bit differently. Every doctor is so specialized it’s like they completely ignore the dementia, like it’s not even relevant.
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There is nothing the medical community can do for the PWD. Current approved drug therapeutics only slow progression for maybe 1/2 of those who take them. That slowdown is measured in months not years. What good is that? Without a cure the best you can hope for is compassion, respect, kindness toward you and your loved one. There is no help on the way. You have to make your own way. It's just the 2 of you. Be nice and kind but don't take on guilt. You're doing the best you can. One day this will end and you'll have the experience and knowledge to help others who find their way to this site.
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I feel the same way as so many as us do. I felt like the medical community treats people with dementia like they arent human and why should they care about whats going on. Ive asked questions of different issues about my DH and they tell me ask the other doctor…passing the buck isnt what I wanted to here when youre looking for answers.
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I think because when there is no cure the doctors really feel there’s not much they can do. My DH and I have a daughter with a genetic condition of the eyes. There is no treatment nor cure for her condition and I see parallels, on how eye doctors treat her and how my husband’s neurologist treats him. They pretty much all said the same thing, that there was nothing they could do. I felt like we were being told they didn’t know what to do so figure it out for ourselves.
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