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Mid-stage Dementia : Agitation and Aggression

My father has dementia. He lives with my mom in their home, and my mom is his primary caregiver- I am his secondary caregiver. About a year ago he started having issues with incontinence. A few months ago he was determined to be mid- stage dementia. After many months of urging my mom, she agreed to hire a part time caregiver to come to the home. But by the time she agreed to do this, my dad had developed agitation and aggression. 90 percent of the time the trigger for this behavior is when we help change his clothes (and pull-ups) , or try to get him to shower. He does not react this way when asked to brush his teeth.

I have searched for youtube videos and watched quite a few, Teepa Snow included, as well as watching the videos for caregivers on this site, but am still looking for advice. It's difficult to find much about agitation/aggression related to toileting and bathing. There is not even a tag for aggression or agitation here in the chat. This seems strange to me, as I have read that agitation is common for people with dementia.

I want to work harder on my facial expressions and try to smile more, and also i want to reassure him. But it's very hard to do that once he has become agitated. He hits the countertops, if in the bathroom, or the walls, or if in the dining room he hits the table. He sometimes hits his own legs. At times, he yells to us to leave the room. Sometimes helping him get dressed goes smoothly - this isn't a constant thing, but his meltdowns seem to be getting to be more frequent.

What seems to help is not forcing him to get changed. But it can sometimes take an hour or 2 for him to be amenable to letting us help, and we worry about his health and hygiene. It's taking its toll on my mom and on me. We will try other caregivers, but no one wants to be yelled at.

Does anyone here have advice for how to manage assisting a LO with toileting, changing clothes and or bathing when initiating the care causes the person to become agitated?

His primary care doctor did talk to us about potential medications and the Alzheimer's hotline sent me a list of meds and their potential side effects. But my mom doesn't want to use anti-psychotics, as her mother had dementia and after that experience she is very wary.

thank you so much for reading, and wishing strength to you all.

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  • harshedbuzz
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    @turnip

    Hi and welcome. I am sorry for your reason to be here but pleased you found this place.

    Behavior is communication. Your dad's agitation and aggression are the expression of feelings he is experiencing that are beyond him in his impaired state to process. In men especially, this kind of behavior often comes from anxiety, confusion and perhaps depression.

    Medication can be very effective at dialing back the powerful feelings driving the behaviors allowing the PWD to be well cared for at home and all parties safe. Your mom's experience with her mom notwithstanding, if you've met one person with dementia, you've met one person with dementia.

    The Teepa Snow and Naomi Feil strategies were very helpful for my anxious and agitated to the point of aggressive dad, but only after he was effectively medicated on 25mg of Seroquel twice daily.

    HB

  • H1235
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    Medication does not need to make him a zombie. My mom is on anxiety medication not an antipsychotic. Think how miserable he must be with all this anxiety and anger. Medication can help him feel better and give him some relief. Without treatment these issues may escalate to the point that he needs to be hospitalized or he might hurt someone. These types of medication are usually started at a low dose and then increased very slowly. This prevents over medication. They can cause drowsiness, but are usually given in the evening and tend to help with sleep at night. The experience your mom had with her mom was probably a while ago. Could it be there is a better understanding of how to treat today. I would focus more on convincing your mom that your dad really needs medication.

  • turnip
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    thank you so much for what you wrote. I do feel terrible that he feels this bad, and I want so much to find help. I thought if I found a way to communicate better with him that maybe things could get better- a lot of things I read say to try medications as a last resort because they can have bad side effects. But we are getting into the territory of last resort now. His PCP wanted to

  • turnip
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    thank you so much for your compassionate reply. If you are able to find the Teepa Snow videos that would be much appreciated. I'll keep looking as well. My dad's PCP did recommend a medication , and starting him on a really low dose. I'll find out which medication she recommended and research it. My dad's current caregiver is not able to help him with changing or bathing - I don't think another person would be more successful. We need to try. Thank you for your honesty- I'm so glad I joined here.

  • SDianeL
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    welcome. Sorry about your Dad. Although communication and approach sometimes work for some behaviors, many times they don’t for incontinence. His anxiety is caused by not understanding what’s happening and may be embarrassment. Even experienced caregivers in memory care facilities deal with this behavior and aggression, and the only recourse is medication. They can’t allow their caregivers to be hurt. Your Mom is at risk of being seriously hurt by your Dad. Explain this to your Mom. Let her read all of our posts if that will help.

  • turnip
    turnip Member Posts: 6
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    thank you so much. I so appreciate the support of this platform. thank you for reaching out.

  • turnip
    turnip Member Posts: 6
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    H1235, still figuring how to use the platform and sent an incomplete reply! thank you - I was replying about my dad's PCP wanting to prescribe a very low dose of medication but i need to look up which med. Would you all here trust a PCP - to prescribe a medication? The doctor said she put in a call to the neurology department but didn't hear back - I feel like I'd be more comfortable knowing a specialist was consulted. what are people's feeling on this ? sounds like people here thing we need to move forward and not wait any longer.

  • H1235
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    I would not wait for a specialist. Moms pcp at her assisted living prescribed medication for anger and anxiety. I look at it like this. If he was in extreme pain you would not hesitate to give him pain medication, if he was diabetic you would want him to have insulin, if he had high blood pressure he would take medication. His Bain is not working properly. It’s causing him extreme discomfort. Medication can help.

  • sandwichone123
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    I found my dh's neurologist was no help at all, and I've seen some comments from others that the neurologist wouldn't prescribe medications at all for symptom management. To me the PCP is the best prescriber unless you end up with a geriatric psychiatrist on board, but those are primarily for complex medication management, and it sounds like you don't plan to go down that route anytime soon.

    There are so many people with so many ideas about "curing" or treating Alzheimer's, but I would not trust a source that seems to say the symptoms of this biological brain disorder can be treated entirely with behavior. We take medications for illnesses, and Alzheimer's is an illness, not just behaviors that the person understands or can control.

  • MN Chickadee
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    In my experience the best doctor to prescribe is the one you trust the most and you can communicate with. Some specialists are extremely hard to get face time with or answers to questions. My mom's pcp was great at tinkering with meds and dosage with us and working with us, listening to us. However my mom didn't have extreme agitation like this; it sounds borderline violent. Sometimes with the more challenging dementia behaviors a geriatric psychiatrist is the best person to prescribe. But in many communities it can be very difficult to get in with one, or take months. If the PCP is willing to work with you I'd start there. It sounds like you are doing everything you can with learning about dementia communication techniques, and sometimes that just isn't enough. Meds shouldn't be scary. They are often the key to keeping people at home, keeping them and their caregivers safe, and improving quality of life for everyone involved. Care needs drive the decision making, and he needs to be bathed and change clothes so it's time to do what you can to make that possible. It all must be very hard on him too, and the right medication can help. My only other tips are to try a male aide or change it up in some way you haven't tried. The dynamics of having family bathe a PWD can be complicated. Modesty can be a big issue that the person can't communicate. We struggled immensely with it; my mom behaved just awful around showering. After she started attending an adult daycare we discovered they offered bathing services for an extra fee. We started having her showers done there while she was there anyway and she didn't fight it at all. She was so much more compliant for other people especially when her family was not around.

  • ​fesk
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    I do think it's important to try different behavioral approaches as you are doing. I have seen many aides over the years who caused issues to escalate because they didn't know how to handle situations.

    Also, if you are not comfortable with antipsychotics, ask for another type of medication to start. I did this years ago and behavior was successfully managed for a long time without antipsychotics. Unfortunately, there isn't a quick solution to behavioral issues like this. It takes a lot work as you know.

    Many times it can take weeks for a medication to take effect. It cannot be rushed. There are also many doctors who take a very aggressive approach with medication which I am personally not a fan of.

    I would recommend going with a doctor who is very experienced in treating these types of behaviors.

    The situation will need to be managed to keep everyone safe. Do research the medications, ask questions and do what you are most comfortable with. I agree that you need a doctor who is open to communicating and working with you.

    Once a medication is started, watch closely and track all changes. Keep good notes so it can be discussed with the doctor. Also, keep working on the behavioral aspect as you have been doing.

    I wish you the best of luck.

  • harshedbuzz
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    edited January 12

    Ideally, the person writing prescriptions for psychoactive medications should be a specialist. The specialist this scenario is a geriatric psychiatrist. IME, Dad's neurologists were great for getting a comprehensive workup and diagnosis, but they weren't especially helpful beyond that. His geripsych was the most important person on dad's team after mom.

    Alas, getting in to see a geripsych can take some time in which case I would weigh the very real risk of mom being injured and dad needing to be placed (with a record of assault, you will not have many options) with doing nothing. While you wait to see a geripsych, I would absolutely rely on his PCP for meds especially since it doesn't seem your neurologist was responsive to a fellow physician.

    One option to fast track seeing a geripsych would be to have dad transported to the ER for transfer to a geripsych inpatient stay if his aggression rises to an overt risk to anyone including himself.

    HB

  • Russinator
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    As HB said: One option to fast track seeing a geripsych would be to have dad transported to the ER for transfer to a geripsych inpatient stay if his aggression rises to an overt risk to anyone including himself.

    My DW had several dementia panic attacks beginning 6 months ago. Her last three were extreme and very violent. After the 3rd one I called the paramedics who took her to the local ER room (they transferred her to OC Global) where she saw a geriatric psychiatrist. Ten days later I picked her up - she's had zero dementia panic attacks since then (that was 55 days ago).

Commonly Used Abbreviations


DH = Dear Husband
DW= Dear Wife, Darling Wife
LO = Loved One
ES = Early Stage
EO = Early Onset
FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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