CG for Spouse with ADHD & early stage AD

B Lynn
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I am SO losing it. I have been at the end of my rope for years living with a spouse with uncompensated ADHD. His early AD complicated by ADHD is driving me over the edge. I was able to have him seen for neuro-cognitive rehab, but that was futile because he refuses to acknowledge he has a problem either with ADHD or AD. I tried for years to help him get organized but those attempts were also for naught. He wouldn’t follow through before he had AD, & won’t try now either.

I asked the cognitive neurologist who is treating his AD if he will trial him on a stimulant med like our son takes that helps him manage his ADHD but he refuses. He tells me I will need to find a psychiatrist who will do this. Of course there is no one in our area that will do this. The closest Dr. is 40 minutes away. That wouldn’t be so bad if I weren’t dealing with multiple medical problems myself. Trying to deal with my problems & his feels overwhelming. This sounds so uncaring but I wish I could drop him off at a curb & walk away. I should have walked away many many years ago when I could have.

I just feel like I’m running in fumes. I physically can’t keep up with the things I need to do. I feel like I’ve aged 10 years in the last 1 1/2 years. It’s enough just trying to take care of myself. Again, I should terrible but I don’t want to be his mother. I raised my son. I’m done with that role.

I’ve been taking with a therapist for over a year but don’t find myself feeling any better or finding myself any better to cope. I can’t put him in assisted living because he’s still too high functioning. He’s just very forgetful, misses small cues, & his critical thinking isn’t the best.

I just feel like I’m serving a sentence. I want out of this situation but right now the only way that will happen is if my physical state continues to decline & I leave feet first for eternity. I know his condition is only getting worse to get worse over time & he will become more difficult for me to manage. I know there are no answers. I just needed to vent. No responses are necessary.

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  • jgreen
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    Dear @B Lynn

    If you haven’t already, see an Elder Care Attorney as soon as possible. It is best for you to get your affairs in order and learn about options for your husband. Go by yourself first, and then get advice on how you can get your husband to next appointment. I have not looked into placement for my DH yet, but understand that the Oasis organization can be helpful with information about in-home care and also with placement options. If not them, Elder Affairs or a Commission on Aging might work.

    You need to take care of yourself first and foremost. Your husband with AD is never going to see, understand or acknowledge his condition. So save yourself from the frustration of trying to reason with someone whose reasoner is broken.

    Take one step and one day at a time. We are here to offer tips, support and an ear to listen whenever you need.

  • Jgirl57
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    If you can afford it, you might want to reconsider assisted living . As I toured many facilities ( assisted and memory care) I saw assisted living with many individuals that were “high functioning “ and just needed medication assistance, reminders for activities /meals and gentle prompting to get through a day. Even if you tried for a year or so, it would be a much needed break for you. Many facility directors stated that families often wait too long for placement. (((Hugs))) and hope you find relief soon.

  • Jgirl57
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    one more thing …,; some of the smaller group homes might be an option if there are any within a one to two hour distance.

  • BPS
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    AL might be a good choice. You can move there together and they will take care of a lot of the day to day stuff and give you a break. They can also help with your own health needs. They have things to do and provide the meals and some house keeping. I was looking it to it a couple of years ago then my wife had a stroke and that changed things so MC seemed like the best option. AL is for anyone 55 or older here. Of course the more help they provide the more it costs. You won't be able to help him if you don't take care of yourself first.

  • B Lynn
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    Thank you for your response. We have seen an Elder Attorney & have a Revocable Life Trust in place. Thank you for your input about my efforts to try change life time behaviors that are more pronounced since the AD diagnosis. It’s a fools errand on my part. I just would like to try to make a frustrating situation less frustrating, at least for the short term. They are also my goals, not his. There is no buy in on his part.

  • B Lynn
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    Thank you for your response. He’s not yet ready for assisted living. As I said in my post, I have multiple medical conditions & he sometimes helps me with things. I’m just overall frustrated that our life has taken this turn. It’s certainly not the retirement I anticipated for us. I know things are going to get much worse & there will come a time where he needs constant supervision. When we approach that stage is when he will need placement. Right now, I just need someone to help me weed out this house. I’ve asked him to go through things in the basement he no longer wants. It seems that is beyond his ability. He tells me he’s going down there to clean but nothing really changes. It’s like I need to supervise him. He’s always had problems staying on task with his ADHD, it’s just worse now. I had just hoped that maybe with ADHD medication he would maybe be better able to stay on task.

  • B Lynn
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    Thank you for listening. I know I sound very disjointed (probably because I am at this point). I know I should be thankful he is still somewhat functional. It’s just the lifelong irritation of him being disorganized …always a sore spot with me, that’s now even worse with AD. Then the forgetfulness. I do my best to provide tools for him to help himself. It’s never enough. Then the guilt sets in because I know this is the best it’s ever going to be & I should appreciate that it’s not worse. I know you all know how terrible this disease is. I feel guilty for going ln like I have today. I have a journal & would probably be better off writing there. I just feel alone in what seems like an impossible situation.

  • Jgirl57
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    I hired a helper for me short term to sort through things with me as I was cleaning closets and used my grandsons and daughter to haul things to donations /trash. Your DH no longer has the executive function to start/complete these things. Reminders and notes rarely work past a certain stage. I think I recall another poster whose loved one also has adhd but I don’t remember if adhd medications were in use. Please don’t stop writing here. We all learn from each other. Hire what help you need to make life a smidge simpler for you. (((HUGS)))

  • B Lynn
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    Thank you for your kind reply. I would be willing to hire someone to help me sort. How did you find someone to help you? My social circle has become very small since Covid. We have no family where we are living so we are pretty much on our own. When my brother comes here from out of state, he helps me with the things he can.

    My husband is still able to drive within a 10 mile radius of home. He is able to take donations to charities if I limit what I give him to one location & put the directions to the donation site in his phone.

    Thank you for the reminder that he is likely no longer able to make decisions about sorting. He has always been disorganized due to his ADHD, thus the reason I thought maybe ADHD medication would help him remain on task like it does with our adult son. Up until now he refused to even consider it. In order to persue that, I would have to make an appt. with a psychiatrist 40 minutes from home. We already have so many appts. one more just feels overwhelming right now.

    As I’ve written earlier, I’m just frustrated by his unwillingness to accept he has AD as well as his apparent unwillingness to acknowledge his deficits. I’m doing everything humanly possible to keep him as functional as possible & trying to put compensatory strategies in place to help with the deficits. I just get frustrated with his apparent lack of interest to follow through with them. He wasn’t interested in reading the information provided to us when I took him for neurocognitive therapy. He is not open to acknowledging he has deficits. We saw his cognitive neurologist a few weeks ago & he tried to impress in both of us that my husband has a “brain disease” (as if I didn’t know- he actually has 2 of them, ADHD, AD, & also had 2 small strokes before he was ever diagnosed with a mild cognitive deficit. It wasn’t until he had the nuclear PET scan last summer that he received the AD diagnosis). I digress. Anyway, the cognitive neurologist essentially said the best I can do is offer the tools to help him. He essentially said whether he avails himself of them is on him & basically there is nothing I can do about it. That have done my part & my best by just putting them out there for him. It’s hard for me to be content with that. On one level I do get it. He has a progressive degenerative brain disease (that is already taking a toll on me even at this early stage of the disease).

    Thanks again for your helpful words & suggestions!

  • harshedbuzz
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    @B Lynn

    Dementia is about so much more than memory loss. Many of the earlier symptoms of dementia— poor executive function and reasoning skills— overlap with ADHD. I sometimes struggle with my own ADHD mother as I suspect some MCI of late but it's hard as she's always been somewhat neurodivergent.

    There are geriatric psychiatrists who will prescribe stimulant medications for early stage PWD. Most of the studies done around this suggest that they can be useful for treating apathy but not so much for attention and focus. That said, depending on your DH's age and health, he may not be a candidate for stimulants.

    A few members here have been able to use telehealth to access geriatric psychiatrists by paying out-of-pocket.

    HB

  • Chance Rider
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    In reading the responses to your post I haven’t seen Anosogosia mentioned, though I may have missed it.

    Here’s info I copied from a search:

    “Anosognosia is a neurological and psychiatric condition causing a person to be unaware of their own mental health issues or physical deficits, such as not recognizing they have an illness like schizophrenia or dementia. It is not a conscious "denial," but a physical brain dysfunction affecting self-awareness, often resulting in treatment refusal.”


    it’s one of the most challenging aspects of my husband’s ALZ for me to deal with. I learned not to mention his dementia or declining mental and physical abilities as it only results in anger from him.

  • B Lynn
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    Thank you for the information. I did search the internet last night & found some credible information on the topic. It’s unlikely I’ll find a provider willing to prescribe a stimulant medication like our son takes. I’ll review the info in greater deal & see where that leads me. Thanks again!

  • B Lynn
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    Thank you for that helpful information. I actually have never heard the term Anosogosia. The description certainly fits. He does not seem disturbed that his memory is impaired nor does he seem to recognize he it’s a problem. If I bring it to his attention his response is usually “I never really paid attention to….(name what ever it is he’s forgotten). Putting myself in his place, I would like to think I would be disturbed about forgetting things (heck I get disturbed now if something slips my mind), and would want to employ what ever helpful strategies I could to help me not forget. It probably doesn’t help that he has always had a tendency to make excuses for shortcomings. Thanks again for sharing your insight. It’s very helpful!

  • Chance Rider
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    @B Lynn your comment “It probably doesn’t help that he has always had a tendency to make excuses for shortcomings” perfectly describes my husband even before the ALZ. After his diagnosis I didn’t know about anosogosia or that it was the cause of his current behaviors. At my husband’s current stage late 4 early 5, it’s the most challenging thing I deal with.

  • bjtm1969
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    B Lynn,

    I can relate with what you are dealing with regarding the ADHD and then AD. My husband has dealt with ADHD his entire life and also has a son who was successfully medicated in his teens. Although he recognized the need for his son's medication, my stepson, he refused to do it for himself. We talked to his original neurologist about adding an ADHD medication but he was not really in favor of that at the time. There were many times I wanted to leave before the AD diagnosis. My husband was self employed in the restoration business. This meant many large unfinished projects which now are impossible to tackle with his memory issues. Throw in COVID, a blood cancer diagnosis and ongoing treatment, and a house fire where everything we owned had to be thrown away or professionally cleaned. The fire also meant everything in the lower level of our home, that was fairly organized, was moved quickly and all mixed up. Boat and car parts thrown into trailers with no regard to identification. We are now living in a much smaller home in another state but we have garages, storage units and a large shop to figure out. Although he would like to be part of moving some of these unfinished projects down the road, he cannot remember enough about them to be of much help. I have a few people who worked with him in the past who are willing to help. That being said, everything falls on me to coordinate. I post things on Craigslist and Marketplace which has beeen somewhat successful. We recently went through the loss of driving privileges which was extremely stressful for both of us. I came down with shingles for the second time in two years. Although I have some health issues, I try,at 75, to remain as healthy and active as possible but it is a struggle. On the positive side, as the AD has progressed, my husband is much calmer and not as aware when he misplaces things😉 He understands he has memory loss much of the time but that has taken years to admit. He often jokes about it. This morning in his fresh fruit there were more blueberries than most days. When he asked why, I said they are good for our brains. His response was, I don't have a brain and I replied that we needed to preserve what we both have left. He is very funny and witty. Much more so than in previous years. We have hired a local handyman who works with a few guys who are willing to do many things at a reasonable rate. Maybe someone like that might work for you. Previously, I also located a retired man thru a realtor who was willing to take on more unusual tasks. My heart goes out to you. I was hospitalized a couple years ago with two bowel obstructions shortly after the house fire. I wasn't sure I wanted the bowel obstructions to resolve. Caregiving is difficult for all of us but some people had a more organized and stable life to start with. Others have more challenging situations than I have faced. Try to be kind to yourself and understand you can only do so much in any given day. I make weekly lists and am delighted when I can cross some things off. My expectations for what is possible are fluid. We try to make the best of every day as we contine down this path. Feel free to private message me if you ever want to email back and forth directly. Hugs to you.

  • B Lynn
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    I’m so very sorry for your recent major struggles. House fires alone are devastating. Coupled with your medical conditions & your husband’s challenges, it had to feel insurmountable. The last 1 1/2 years have to have been the most challenging of my life & we didn’t have a house fire. I can’t imagine.

    I’m currently so exhausted it’s hard to get even small things off my list. I wish I could stop waking up between 2-3 am. I’m sure I would feel better if only I could get a full nights sleep. I also wish I had more tolerance & patience with my spouse. A lifetime spent with a person with uncompensated ADHD used my lifetime reserve of patience. It’s gone. Besides that, as I alluded to in an earlier post, I no longer want to deal with this any longer. One responder suggested an ALF. He is not yet appropriate for that. Same with having someone come in & stay with him. It’s the constant forgetfulness & failure to check the white board or write notes in his planner that wears on me. Additionally it’s his failure to follow his treatment plan. He won’t wear his hearings aids ( he says he has no problem hearing-I just “talk low”. Yeah, right). He won’t check his BP with the easy to use BP monitor we have. He is pre-diabetic & refused for years to learn how to count carbs. He’s just a difficult person. I know it sounds mean, but I’ve gone so far as to tell him when he can no longer care for himself he’s going to a home where care will be provided to him. It doesn’t phase him in the least. He’s still complaining to me about his driving restrictions out in place by the state after he took the car out one night unbeknownst to me & was driving erratically due to Covid delirium. (Neither of us knew he had Covid & I was unaware he had developed delirium. I planned to take him to the doctor the next day because he was not getting over what we thought was a cold). Once the state gets involved things get a lot more complicated. He does not instant why he has restrictions & keeps wanting to go to the SOS to get the restrictions taken off. It’s not that easy. Anyway, like I said, he’s difficult, I have my own medical problems I’m dealing with, I’m overwhelmed with what needs to be done, I’m frustrated trying to do all that I can to keep him as functional as possible & I’m tired, very tired. Like you said with your bowel obstructions, you get to the point you don’t know if you even want to get better. I sometimes wonder if I’m not at the beginning of the end. Three years ago I was a pretty vibrant person. That person is gone. I miss her but don’t think I will see her again. Well, I’ve rambled on too much. Thank you for sharing your story. I wish you the best with the challenges lying ahead. I hope earth angels will present themselves and help you move forward doing those things you need to do.

  • Jgirl57
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    B Lynn, I used Thumbtack.com to find someone to help me sort and go through things. I think I used them for 4 different sessions. My DH never accepted he has Alz. Hang in there and write as much as you want and as often

  • B Lynn
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    Thank you Jgirl for the suggestion. I’ve pretty much accepted my SO will never either recognize or accept his Dx. I’m not sure which it is, but regardless it’s just not going to happen. It’s nothing we will ever be able to talk about or discuss how we can move forward. I’m coming to the realization that no matter how hard I try, there is very little I can do to improve anything if the problem is not recognized or acknowledged by him & he has no desire to employ compensatory strategies. Today I’m at the point of saying whatever. Let the chips fall as they may. I’m still upset angry but no longer have the energy to swim against the current. Thanks again!

  • Maru
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    Sorry that you are feeling so overwhelmed. I have health issues as well, so it can be pretty stressful trying to take care of your own needs as well as your DH. Many of our kids and grands have some level of it with one adult grandchild on meds for it. I definitely would NOT recommend ADHD meds for someone with AL. They are generally uppers or stimulants, which may help them to focus, but now you have someone with AL on uppers. That could be a nightmare, esp.if the person is prone to angry outbursts.

    What I have learned is to let go of what is non-essential. I only have so much energy so I use it for what must be taken care of. Great if you can hire someone to come in and box up and store all the stuff (that is cluttering up your home. That will certainly help you be calmer. It's tough being a caretaker and needing to care for yourself as well. In reality, you are number one here, so do what you must to take care of yourself so you will be able to take care of your DH.

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    Someone posted on another thread - Resources - about CareYaYa. Perhaps you’ve heard of this organization. I never had, but it seems like a good option to look into when I need it. I’m able to care for my DH right now but I likely will need help in the future. Here is the link — https://www.careyaya.org/about

  • Quilting brings calm
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    edited May 7

    I don’t know if this will help- but it’s worth a try. I’m reading a lot of ‘he won’t’ in your posts. The truth is that it’s ’he can’t’. Between the ADHD and the dementia, he cannot do what you want him to do. It’s not that he is willfully being difficult or unhelpful.
    One of the hardest things for a spouse to deal with is the fact that you have to take on ALL the stuff that the PWD used to do.
    Stop asking or expecting him to do the things you mentioned here. The request, expectation and subsequent failure of it being done is part of what is driving up your stress. Take on what you can take on, find someone to do part of the rest… and let the rest go for now.
    Redirect the conversation when he starts repetitive questions or complains about restrictions. ‘Yes I know that’s upsetting- let’s go get ice cream’. ‘ I hear what you are saying- what me to turn on that program you like on TV?


    These things should at least reduce the hostile environment.

  • bjtm1969
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    BLynn,

    Yes, lack of sleep is huge. My patience, stress levels and energy are so affected by lack of sleep. I am sure you have tried strategies and maybe even meds to help with that but can your doctor help you make that a priority? Last night was one of those at our house. I also tried to incorporate compensatory strategies such as post-it notes, white boards, calendars, phone reminders to no avail. They just made me more frustrated. My husband told the speech and language therapist, while going for cognitive therapy, that he didn't need to learn anything new to help with his memory because he had me! I try not to dwell on all the past issues/projects that are now left in my lap so to speak or they would eat me alive. One day at a time. One foot in front of the other as my husband tells everyone. Yes, we have had some earth angels cross our paths especially after the fire. I too hope they continue to stop by on occasion. As far as worrying if you are at the beginning of the end, I can also relate. I needed PT several times over the last couple years for various issues. My PT worried about how I looked at one point and described me as frail which I didn't know was a medical term. This gave me a wake up call to try to work on myself a bit more. I am certainly not as vibrant as I once was but trying everyday to stay as active and healthy as possible. Hang in there. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

  • Victoriaredux
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    B Lynn-

    Your health is doubly valuable - you deserve your life & he depends on you as he can't be independent & that's not coming back. You can't organize and program a decaying brain with undependable circuits. Especially with the other issues.

    I'd rethink whether he should still be driving , an accident could destroy you financially and with a lack of empathy PWD aren't the most thoughtful drivers. Judgement and vision can also be impaired. Does the insurance company know about the restrictions and acknowledge coverage is considered active?

    Have you researched homes near you? There can be waiting lists. Many people feel they waited too long to place their loved ones. You'll have more choices if you research and plan now versus in a crisis , if you need a few days in the hospital etc. Who would watch him?

  • notequipped
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    As someone diagnosed with ADHD who has previously been medicated, I can tell you that even though stimulants may be prescribed they do not have that affect on a person with ADHD. Newer non-stimulant medications are also available.

Commonly Used Abbreviations


DH = Dear Husband
DW= Dear Wife, Darling Wife
LO = Loved One
ES = Early Stage
EO = Early Onset
FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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