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The results of my DW’s brain autopsy: Not at all the results I expected.

Vitruvius
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In a nutshell, if my DW is any gauge, our LO’s dementia is probably a lot more complex than we realize.

My DW was diagnosed in October 2020, at 69, with Semantic Dementia [SD], aka Semantic Variant of Primary Progressive Aphasia [svPPA], which in turn is a variant of FTD. This was not what the autopsy revealed. She passed away in February after nearly a dreadful year in Stage 7f. I chose to have an autopsy as they had requested when she was diagnosed with a relatively rare form of dementia.

Her original diagnosis was determined by a professor of neurology, and a neuropsychiatrist, both specializing in dementia at UCD, a large medical school, through extensive interview testing, an MRI, blood work, DNA testing, and a PET Scan. They then referred my DW to UCSF, a major national center for dementia research, where a neurologist specializing in rare dementias interviewed my DW, reviewed prior tests and confirmed the diagnosis.

The autopsy was performed and analyzed at UCSF Memory and Aging Center. The neurologist from UCSF covered the results with me over a long zoom call.

First off the neurologist stressed that any diagnosis on a living patient is still largely a clinical diagnosis, even with the advent of recent testing, meaning they are mostly assessing symptoms and drawing conclusions from that.

So what did my DW actually have? I still don’t really understand. I do know that the parts of the brain that were affected are the same as seen in Semantic Dementia, but it was caused by “High Alzheimer's Disease Neuropathologic Change (ADNC)”, in other words not SD/svPPA or any type of FTD. It was Alzheimer’s, yet it affected largely the same parts on the brain and produced the same clinical symptoms as SD.

Probably the most important finding was that my DW also had another type of dementia, a significant “Progressive supranuclear palsy (PSP), a subtype of frontotemporal lobar degeneration”. I had never heard of this, nor have I ever seen it mentioned on this forum. It is important because it apparently “causes progressive gait/balance impairment, ocular-motor dysfunction, parkinsonism and cognitive/behavioral changes. It is a clinicopathologic syndrome: definite diagnosis requires postmortem neuropathology”. The parts about gait/balance impairment explains my DW’s failing ability to walk in late Stage 6. The ocular-motor dysfunction explains the fact that she rarely opened her eyes in the last year of her life. How many other’s LOs have something like this and they don’t know it?

My DW also had “Lewy pathology, amygdala-predominant (LPC staging system).” This was apparently minor, but is yet another type of dementia that possibly affected her symptoms as well. On top of it all they also found “Cerebrovascular disease”. Could it all be any more cruel?

Hopefully this was informative and provided some insight into your own LO’s condition. I wish you all strength and peace in your incredibly difficult caregiving journey.

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  • howhale
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    What a difficult story to share and even more so to have heard for you. Allowing the autopsy is very brave and such a contribution to those who will follow in our path. Having read your information and living through caring for my departed DW, my feelings are reinforced. This disease and all its evil forms is near impossible to diagnose accurately or completely clinically. Doctors do their best (I hope) but the therapies to address whatever they call it are so minimal as to not help much. I tell those who ask about tracking the loved one's progress and getting caught up about what stage or what form, don't do it. Your loved one has some form of a terrible disease for which there is no current sure. Be informed, know what might happen but just be prepared for the unexpected and surprises. This site is their best resource for now to ask their questions about the symptoms and behaviors they are actually seeing and experiencing. Don't worry about stage 5, 6, 7 or any other. Use the facts before you to find practical and loving suggestions for how to care for your special person. Having said that, thank you so much for sharing your information. Information is power.

  • White Crane
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    Vitruvius, thank you for sharing the results of your dear wife’s autopsy. It must’ve been hard for you to read and maybe even harder to comprehend all the information.

  • Vitruvius
    Vitruvius Member Posts: 467
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    For Goodlife2025’s question:

    When my DW was diagnosed with a fairly rare type of dementia at a major research university hospital they asked me to consider an autopsy when the time came to further their research. When it was clear that my DW was in her final stretch, I contacted them. They were very helpful and even suggested a funeral home that they worked with regularly (for other research like cancer as well). I filled out a few forms and let hospice know about all the details.

    When my DW finally passed the procedure involved calling a dedicated 24 hour coordinator at UCSF who then made all arrangements including contacting the funeral home. It is obviously important that the autopsy be done as immediately as possible. The funeral home took my DW directly to UCSF who performed the autopsy. The autopsy was done at no cost to me.

    It took a number of weeks for the analysis. It report was a number pages of very detailed and thorough information but was packed with arcane medical references, and analysis. The original neurologist who confirmed her diagnosis in 2020 arranged a zoom call of about an hour where we discussed the findings. He was generous with his time and answered my questions as simply as he could without any tone of patronizing or irritation.

  • Timmyd
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    All caregivers for PWD are heroes. Those who choose to make additional sacrifices to advance science for the benefit future generations of ALZ patients are next level heroes. Thank you for sharing your story.

  • A. Marie
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    Vitruvius, I've always looked forward to reading your intelligent and savvy comments. And my hat's off to you for going the extra mile with the brain autopsy for your DW. I would have wished to pursue this with my own DH, but he went downhill so fast at the end that I was lucky to get him into the local medical school's general donor pool, never mind the brain research pool. (which would have required paperwork well in advance).

    And your DW's results prove just how little we still know about the various dementias, and how little we're likely to know for the foreseeable future, given the shrinkage in research funding. But you have done what you could. Thanks from me—and, I'm sure, from all of us.

  • Quilting brings calm
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    I think you did a valuable service by allowing the autopsy. If the right people hear her symptoms and match that with the autopsy… then something has been learned that might help a patient in the future.

  • Jgirl57
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    The brain is truly a complicated mystery. Thank you so much for sharing. (((Hugs)))

  • Goodlife2025
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    Thank you for both sharing the information and your willingness to participate in this study. Advantages to living nearer to a medical hub.

  • Lethe
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    Thank you for sharing this information.

  • GothicGremlin
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    Wow, @Vitruvius , I'm shocked. I'm not even sure quite what to say.

    Your wife and my sister seemed to be on a similar trajectory for quite some time, and they both had a similar diagnosis.

    Oddly, a friend of mine is part of a study at UCSF that tracks the children of parents who had FTD. In this case, it was her mom.

    Sorry I'm being so random, I'm just so surprised. And thank you for taking the time to share all of this with us.

Commonly Used Abbreviations


DH = Dear Husband
DW= Dear Wife, Darling Wife
LO = Loved One
ES = Early Stage
EO = Early Onset
FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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