Neurologist Visit for mom
But, the neurologist wants me to disclose her symptoms with my mom in the room. When I did this at the nuero psychologist’s office my mom got really angry and yelled at us. It was awful. Has anyone else had this kind of experience, being afraid of disclosing the truth because your elderly parent gets so enraged?
What do I do? I asked the doctor to talk to me privately but she won’t.
Thank you for any advice.
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Welcome. I think that’s pretty awful that the neurologist won’t talk with you in private. When I first took mom in I brought up some difficult stuff that mom didn’t want to hear. She was very angry. It was a quiet ride home. Since you need her to declare your mom incapacitated, her rage toward you (hopefully in the office) might actually work in your favor. Did you get the paperwork you needed? I eventually discovered I could use moms patient portal to communicate with the doctor. In fact, at the first visit they linked my portal to hers somehow to make it easier. You might also try to write a note or list of symptoms or concerns and give it to the front desk before the appointment. I have done this also. When faced with upsetting mom or not giving the doctor all the information needed I went with upsetting mom. My mom is upset with me about everything anyway. It was still really hard. I ended up seeing my own doctor for anxiety medication. I’m glad you found our group.
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Hi kikiPMac - welcome to 'here', but sorry for the reason.
Just a thought - are you on the HIPAA list for that doctor? Doc may not be able to speak with you legally. You could tell doc anything you need to, but they would not be legally allowed to respond back or acknowledge the situation with specific questions that they need to know.
To get mom to the doc, you may need to use a fiblet. Tell her it is for a Medicare review, or a follow-up on a previous issue or medication.
Sorry you are dealing with this.
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If you are on the HIPPAA list and the neurologist won't speak to you alone for any reason then find another neurologist…one that specializes in geratrics. My mom's neurologist was of no help helping us manage my mom's symptoms. We begged for medications to help with behaviors and was told by the nurse "we don't really do that here". This was after a fall and mom was declining cognitively even though physically she was healing. If you haven't already, consult with a geriatric psychiatrist. They are able to better manage and monitor medications and maybe provide some additional emotional support that a neurologist cannot. My mom's geriatric psych practice is also the in house provider for our hospital. As a matter of fact, the hospital geriatric psychiatrist was one of the doctors that confirmed her incapacitated. In my opinion, you are in probably the most difficult stage. They are losing their independence and are trying to hold on. My mom is still resisting and agitated about her circumstances and she's been in MC for 10 months. She is between a level 5-6 and can dress herself, use the bathroom, bathe and feed herself. She has paranoid personality disorder, delusions, agitation and depression. She absolutely hates MC and talks about leaving every visit. We tell mom fiblets because she would go off her rails if we shared everything with her. She has anosognosia. It's what we have to do to keep them safe. My mom gave up driving without much of a fuss five years ago after a hospitalization. My sister and I drove her to do errands and she was ok with that surprisingly. We thought we would have a fight on our hands. So now she's very mad that she cannot live on her own and blames me and my sister despite us moving her three times in 8 years (not including MC). I feel for you and understand.
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Not sure how quickly this has all unfolded for you, but it sounds like a rush. In my experience, doctors are nervous about any rush to diagnose or classify. You might first try to get your mom to undergo some sort of neuropsychological testing for an initial take on her status. There are clinicians who offer these tests outside the context of a doctor's office. Those results might help convince your mother to be seen by a neurologist. A brain scan might follow. These are the kinds of measures that make it much easier for a doctor (neurologist or primary care) to write the "letters of capacity" you need to enact medical and legal power of attorney. (This assumes you have a good medical directive signed by your mother in hand.) Taking it step by step might help convince your mother this is a search for answers and help and not just an attempt to take away her freedom. I've been down this road and it is not easy. Good luck.
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Wow! So I see it’s common for providers to not want to provide medications, for the cognitive symptoms . We have had to wait since Jan to see a Neurologist Cognitive MD , since scheduling my parent has had ischemic stroke and has ‘ fluid’ in ventricles of brain . No one wants to give medication to help with cognitive, even tho she got a 9/30 on MOCA test last Sept, 3 MRI ‘S indicates atrophy. My parent has seen Neuro surgery regarding the fluid on the brain, for possibly a shunt , but we were told ‘ no go’ for that . Due to the atrophy 1st portion front of brain , still NO diagnosis of Dementia tho .
Stage 5/6 probably now with shuffle, incontinence,unable to dress self . With me very hateful attitude due to I’m the daily caregiver.
Seems as if most providers do not want to step up , thankfully a NP in her primary care providers office has been the most helpful ,she ordered initial MRI . The healthcare coverage does not seem to have geriatric psych, or geriatric specialists. But I will ask .1 -
Hi and welcome. I am sorry for your reason to be here but pleased you found this place.
A couple of thoughts:
Has the PCP ruled out treatable conditions that can mimic dementia. This would be a place to start with blood work and an MRI CT scan to rule out vitamin and hormone deficiencies and brain lesions. In mom's case, her worsening memory and poor reasoning/concentration were related to untreated Lyme Disease.
Is the neurologist a dementia specialist. Sometimes in rural areas and small towns the neurologist is not a dementia specialist but instead treats all kinds of neurological issues. If you can get to a big city memory clinic the protocol should include time for family to report symptoms away from the PWD.
The nuclear option is emergency guardianship. The court would order an evaluation of her capacity. If you succeed, costs are paid by her.
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