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Fecal incontinence

lilacgirl
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My mom has lost control of her bowels at least 5 times over the past 2 weeks. I feel like she is in much too early of a stage of dementia (we believe Stage 4) for this to be due to her disease. Does anyone else have experience with this happening at mid-stage AD? I'm trying to get her in to the doctor at AL to make sure there's not something else going on.

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  • MoniqueV2024
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    yes - essentially there are a few things that can trigger this, but in general beyond the standard diet pieces (if anything changed in her diet) my understanding is they can lose muscle control or not communicate effectively that they need to use the restroom.

    Unsure of what her routine looks like, I’d recommend using adult diapers and helping her clean thoroughly. Think of the diapers as an “in case” thing, even if she can successfully still make it to the bathroom sometimes.

    The downside of diapers in my opinion is when they immediately replace all trips to the bathroom. My experience with my mom was that she wasn’t “entirely incontinent” like some people tried to tell me, but rather we couldn’t rely on making it to the bathroom 100% of the time.

    Still worth trying, but with the added protection.

  • Felicia6567
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    We were told that bowel incontinence was indicative of end stage Alzheimer's. That does not seem to be the case for my mother. If anything at all bothers her stomach, she has bowel incontinence. It is not a daily thing. She can still communicate the need to use the bathroom, but she doesn't always get the warning soon enough. My mom lives in AL. Now, they suggest she use the bathroom at times. This has definitely helped with urinary incontinence, but not all of the time with bowel incontinence. She does wear adult diapers as suggested above, but still gets very frustrated if she has an "accident."

    You stated that you were trying to get her into the doctor. Does she have regular appointments at her AL facility. My mom sees a NP every month. She has been incredibly helpful through this entire process. If your mom does not have regular appointments, you may want to request them as you move forward. I honestly find myself looking forward to these appointments because they help to answer some of my (and my husband) questions.
  • H1235
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    Mom has very little warning before a movement and I think there are occasional accidents. I think this is likely to be dementia related. She also has trouble with bladder leaks (I think it’s actually more than just leaks ). She used depends for the first year after diagnosis and for the last 2 years has use a heavy duty Tena diaper. She is stage 4 and has vascular dementia. I think I read somewhere that incontinence can show up earlier with vascular dementia, but I can’t remember where.

  • April23
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    My dad is in early stage 7 and still continent of bowel. You might try timed voiding after meals to see if that helps. Even though my dad can still express it, his caregiver sits him on the toilet after breakfast and lunch and this is when he normally goes.

  • harshedbuzz
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    @lilacgirl

    You're wise to investigate this further to see if there is a treatable cause rather than dementia progression.

    That said, while most PWD person will progress through the symptoms in a manner outlined in the DBAT or FAST, there are some folks who might hold onto or lose a skill earlier or later than expected.

    My dad seemed to develop bowel incontinence earlier than I would have expected. It preceded bladder incontinence and arrived when he presented as stage 4 for the most part. I suspected at the time that this might be related to damage from radiation to treat prostate cancer; FWIW the radiation was not successful despite considerable tissue damage. But as he progressed, he retained abilities that are normally lost in stages 4, 5 and 6. I held rigidly onto the idea that a PWD is in the latest stage for which they have any symptom/behavior and accepted that he was moving into stage 6. Mom did not; she lovingly focused on what he could do denying his incontinence as "accidents".

    Six months before he died, he was able to do serial subtraction by 7s during a MoCA. And the very day he died, from aspiration pneumonia, we had an animated conversation about a visit from my sister that shocked the SLP who was there to evaluate his swallowing. Spoiler alert: my sister died in 1994. His speech was conversational, but his mouth and throat could no longer manage unprocessed food safely. He even excused himself to use the bathroom during the visit.

    YMMV.
    HB

  • persevere
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    Medications can contribute. Have they changed recently? Is she on aricept? That was a cause for my wife several years ago.

  • lilacgirl
    lilacgirl Member Posts: 92
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    Update: I bought my mom some Depends yesterday. She texted me last night: “I think there is a problem with the Depends. I don’t think you can wash them!”

    Sometimes you have to find the humor….

Commonly Used Abbreviations


DH = Dear Husband
DW= Dear Wife, Darling Wife
LO = Loved One
ES = Early Stage
EO = Early Onset
FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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