Social Scientists, We Are Here




As I read through the threads on here and, like all of you, find great value and comfort from this forum, I am struck by the discrepancies between our real life and what is described by most (I am sure there are exceptions) articles or studies. As I began our journey, the medical community could offer little, if any, practical advice or help. For the magnitude of this disease, and projected growth, the truly practical resources available are pitifully limited. This forum is the gold mine of help. Perhaps if social scientists, who want a research project into a condition that scares the hell out of everyone out there and will certainly capture headlines, then start right here. Before they go off half cocked with assumptions or theories, spend time in here with us. Maybe some day they will find a meaningful treatment or even a cure but, for now, we are all you got folks to deal with this nightmare. We are all the "experts" you have to understand how to care for the patient and survive ourselves. Many struggling to survive don't even know about this forum. I did not until well into our journey. No one in the medical community ever suggested this site. It was not until I met someone I was interviewing as a caregiver for my wife that I learned about this forum. That person was a wealth of information and saved me and guided me and led me to this gold mine of help. As we struggle to provide the best care for our loved on and to survive to the "other" side, take a moment and pat yourselves on the back. You are the the "experts" regardless of how often we feel like a failure or insufficient. Maybe that is because, as I have stated before, we not only have "skin in the game", we have HEART in the game. I just wanted to acknowledge all of you for what you have provided for me and others by your open heart and sharing of experiences. All of that sharing comes with enough tears to float a battleship, I know, I have contributed my share too.
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That is incredibly insightful, howhale. Thank you for this post. I had never thought about it before, but you are absolutely correct that this is THE place to go for any real guidance. The caregivers posting on this site are the true experts. Going forward I will be sure to mention this site to others who could really be helped by its resources and support.
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Hello howhale your words are wise and so knowledgeable about this dastardly disease and where we all stand. The lack of medical knowledge, the lack of professional help or where to find it the lack of real physical help the lack of everything left me in a void of fear and helplessness when my DH was first diagnosed. So called old friends turned their backs on us when we needed them most of all as if they would catch the disease this left me in a world of isolation. We got a support puppy only to be told by the local Dementia Coffee Group that we couldn’t bring him with us to the coffee morning held in a garden. Go tell! I was furious bewildered and felt abandoned. Then along came this miraculous group of caring soles living the same nightmare.
Progress I guess is being made by people like Emma Hemingway Willis releasing her book on Bruice Willis. However my criticism from the Instagram interviews that I have seen present dementia as it is but not the solutions or help that we the caregivers need. Most of us are doing the long haul many of us on a restricted budget without a support team around to help ease the work. I don’t have the time or even the energy most days to change my ear rings (I have odd ones in at present one pulled out and subsequently lost by our growing puppy) no time or money to go to the finer dress shops to purchase designer clothes and I have a hairdresser that comes to home. It’s online dress shopping which can be hit and miss and so on it goes.
It’s really appreciated that Dementia is being brought to everyone’s attention through publications like this but the book left me feeling inadequate and sad.
Thankyou for taking the time to recognise what we all do and how we manage. I wish I could put our questions, statements and answers into a book and I wish the medical field would look at and acknowledge the alzconnected site.
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I think many of us caregivers who are dealing with the challenges of a close relative or soulmate with dementia, and suffering the ambiguous grief as we watch them deteriorate physically and mentally day after day, are hungry for some understanding and compassion. Because we are suffering too, emotionally and often spiritually. But the doctors are not focused on us, they give most of their attention to the ones with the dreadful diagnosis. And other family members often minimize the plight of the caregiver, as if to say what's the big deal? So you have to repeat something a few(hundred) times a day, just "meet them where they are." Easy to say when you only have to deal with it for an hour or two every couple months. How would they like eight years of 24/7 caregiving frustration without a break or a vacation?
I am also surprised by the lack of response when I send inquiries to memory care facilities. Are they so busy they don't care about getting a few more thousand dollars a month? This is mystifying.
Sorry for the rant. There is more compassion on this forum and some others, than I find in the medical community or close family members.
Thank you for your understanding and appreciation.
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I agree with Chris20cm regarding the nursing home comment. Preparing for plan 'B', I have emailed several local care facilities requesting basic info and not a one has bothered replying. It's just easier to communicate, via email, with DH always nearby. As far as the medical profession and (to me) what seems like a lack of interest, there is NO money to be made with this dreadful disease! Once the diagnosis has been confirmed, a couple of prescriptions and a pat on the back, on down the road we go. I could go on, but what's the point. Big hugs to everyone and take pleasure in the little things.
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I haven’t read the book by Emma Willis. I have read internet articles quoting her comments over the last couple years. I agree that she definitely has more resources and choices than most of us. However, one thing she said was true for all of us. The doctor gives you the diagnosis, tells you to come back in six months as you go. No advice just see you soon. All these years later and it’s still the same. I firmly believe that every patient should be assigned a social services resource to guide families. Rather than leave all of us to reinvent the wheel.
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Isn’t that the dang truth!
I’d be totally lost without this forum. I am so grateful to all of you.3 -
I too am thankful for this group. It has helped me immensely. I STILL get extremely frustrated when I see articles, videos, etc. of doctors and researchers explaining the “first” signs of dementia. The one most often stated is getting lost while driving. WTH. There are sooooo many signs that appear years before the person gets lost driving. When we would go to a doctor with our concerns we were always brushed off. And here we are today.
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Totally agree with everyone. When my husband was officially diagnosed with AD, I felt the neurologist was in a hurry that day and just told us he had Alzheimer’s and that was it and basically was out the door. Since then and from this site, I learned that’s the norm. Really sad. My DH is now in Hospice and has been for just over a year. This past week our nurse was on vacation and I needed some help as DH was more agitated. My aide asked that the supervising nurse call me. She did and was great, but while taking with her and our situation and from what I was telling her and how I was handling it, she asked if I had had training on caregiving. I told her no, just learned what I can and mostly from this site. Ya’ll have helped me so much.
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AMEN!!!
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An addendum to my earlier post. As I read your responses and your experiences I felt I wanted to elaborate on just how little the neurologist helped. When my wife's condition had gotten into stage 6 to 7 and I knew I was going to have to take additional steps to ensure her care, I tried to make an appointment with her neurologist to discuss what might be coming and what should I do to be prepared. I called the office to schedule an appointment, knowing I would be paying out of pocket for it as it was not for my wife. Not an issue for me. I was told my wife had to come, they would not give me an appointment without her present. I tried to explain her condition and that she refused to leave the house by now. Still no cooperation to give me an appointment for consultation. So, since my wife had an appointment scheduled a bit later on I decided to just arrive and take her place. I arrived, went to check-in, was asked where she was and I explained my situation. Once again I tried to get them to understand I needed the doctor to tell me where this disease was going and what I might need to do to be prepared. They refused again without her being present. I asked exactly how they thought I could have this conversation with her present. Their brilliant solution was that she could sit alone in the waiting room while I met with the doctor. Needless to say that I never met with the doctor. Someone's comment that once they give a diagnosis and there is little gain for them in follow-up, we are dismissed. It was shocking and hugely disappointing. At the time of the incident, I had not yet become much involved here. Thankfully I had at least signed up and knew where to come for help.
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Damn, howhale! That’s awful.
My neurologist horror story. When we moved to a quieter little fishing village our neurologist fired my wife as her patient, “To help us out so we don’t have to drive so far to see her.” She was just helping a patient and caregiver fully in crisis by kicking them to the curb so I could spend hours and days desperately trying to find a new neurologist that was actually taking patients. That sure was helpful of her! /insert sarcasm icon here/.
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Dad's journey to diagnosis was a bit more convoluted than some. I'd pestered my mom for a decade to have him evaluated or a least screened by one of their PCPs. She blew me off until she nearly died with him as her care partner when she promised to have him evaluated once they came north for the summer.
Long story short, she left him for 6 days to attend a family funeral with good friends across the street checking in. By the day of the funeral, the friends called mom to return home asap. We drove the 300 miles to my house the next morning and she drove the rest of the way before dawn the next day. When she arrived dad was really confused bordering on psychotic. She put him in the car at my urging and drove back to Philadelphia where we took him to HUP's ED. He was admitted for altered mental state.
Things got interesting. The resident after taking a history tested him for a Thiamine deficiency thinking this was a WKS situation and the chief resident was thinking maybe CJD after mom's description of sudden onset. But the attending examined him and wrote him off as "garden variety Alzheimer's" and seemed annoyed that we'd would bother him with such a thing. We did get a new neurologist at their Memory Center which gave him a mixed dementia diagnosis (kudos to the young resident who got the alcohol part correct as treatment helped for a time). Of course, given the cause of his dementia, we got plenty of judgment for dad's addiction so that was fun.
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For those who felt their LO's neurologist let them down. My DW has a rare dementia variant, Semantic Dementia. We had a local neurologist and a referral to a national expert in rare dementias at a foremost university. Both were very attentive and generous with their time. But even with that, there was really very little they could contribute in the way of useful guidance about my DW's progression or needs for caregiving. They were clear in confirming what we all know here, that every patient's journey, although following a general progression, is nonetheless unpredictable in its specifics and timeline.
My DW has been in the very last Stage 7b for months. She is in a minimally conscious state, with a body that is emaciated with severely contracted muscles. She has no response to external stimuli except for a primitive feeding response that keeps her alive. When I press hospice for a prognosis for survival, I get the incredibly unhelpful response that, essentially, they are surprised she is still alive.
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Very insightful post… asking questions of the medical community that need to be addressed! I graduated from the group in 2023 when my DW died. Joined in 2018 after diagnosis in 2016. The knowledge so wonderfully shared on this forum allowed me to survive those 7 years and keep my DW at home through the end. My background was a bachelors in psych and a masters in counseling so my education obviously helped. This forum was the finishing touch. Telling me what was coming and possible solutions.
Several years ago, I believe a University was starting a study of this, it was on the old forum I believe. My memory says Vanderbilt. What if anything happened to that effort I don't know. I still read here every day and when it seems appropriate comment - very rare.
I suspect the agency that could best promote this potential study in the academic or medical communities is the Alz Association. Rick
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The medical community as a whole is seemingly useless. Memory care doctors should spend a few internship years at a memory care facility before labeling themselves with "expertise."
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I think the reason the medical community seems useless is because they feel useless. There is no path to cure or even an effective means of treatment. I also believe that the only one who can truly understand the plight of the full time caregiver is someone who has walked this road. I give thanks as my situation is far easier than many of you. My DW seems to trust that I am doing the best for her and although she sometimes tries my patience she is never mean or violent, she doesn't wander and seldom argues. I know that can and probably will change and hope I am prepared. I too find this forum to be my best source of information.
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Me too I’d be lost and lonely Thankyou to everyone on this site.
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I don’t know what I would done without this site. I felt helpless and alone even though I have family nearby. They didn’t understand and so they really couldn’t help. The info and support I got here helped me so much. Thank you all. 💜
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I'm in this forum because my DH is in the early stages of dementia, but as a nurse I can confirm that physicians aren't equipped to be helpful with the day to day IRL challenges of any medical problem. They are trained to make medical diagnoses but don't have a clue about how the diagnosis plays out for the individual, family and community. I don't write this to defend MDs but rather to underscore the need to in fact seek help from other that doctors about our IRL daily needs.
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I too extol this forum and recommend it at every appropriate opportunity. i learned about the forum relatively early on from the Alz hotline. As I have mentioned in other discussions, this forum was my only caregiver resource, because my DW has anosognosia and would challenge me if I sought help within her hearing.
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I wonder how well Bruce Willis' wife truly understands all that is involved in caregiving. After all, Bruce lives separately from her in their second home.
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You are so right Bruce does live separately in their second home, could not live alone would have a full contingent for 24/7 care washing, dressing, eating, sleeping. Hey good on her I could do with a bit of that, no hard feelings but today after another restless lack of sleep night I’ve had it.
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Ditto the care and understanding is phenomenal.
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==I wonder how well Bruce Willis' wife truly understands all that is involved in caregiving. After all, Bruce lives separately from her in their second home.==
And how is that different than those of us who have placed our loved ones in facilities? Or are you implying we aren’t caregivers either? Bruce is in the home next door. His wife eats breakfast and dinner with him and his minor children visit often. I said she has more money and resources than most of us. That doesn’t mean she ignores her spouse.
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I would be lost without this forum.
All the neurologist told me, at the third appointment after getting DH onto Donepezil and Memantine to (hopefully) stabilize him, was “you know he’s not going to get better.” And that depressingly brought me down to reality.
And, as everyone knows, doctors are no help after the diagnosis.
So I started searching online for info and did find a couple sites that were a bit informative but didn’t contain the extensive wealth of first hand info thats here.
I started reading the postings and comments here in March this year, reading a bit every afternoon while DH naps, and have read almost all.
This forum really helped me get to acceptance of our situation and I am no longer terrified about what will happen to him, to us. Somewhat depressed yes, but not terrified.
I will continue to read here to keep my spirits up so I can deal with this illness.
Very grateful for the advice and experience of the caregivers who are willing to participate.
My DH is stage 5 currently. Still pleasant, not very difficult, not aggressive, he always was a nice person to be around in our former life - - - just constant questions, the same questions over and over, but losing language ability so not really able to communicate, has no short term memory and can’t remember instructions, and also constant shadowing (waits for me outside the bathroom until I come out), seems to be always hungry cuz I think he forgets that we just recently ate a meal, and has developed a sweet tooth when formerly he was a health nut and never ate sweets. He still stays asleep for most of the night usually, and no incontinence yet (I’m dreading that). Guess he’s about a 4 - 8 year old level and can’t leave him alone. Married 49 years, I still love him, this child version, but I really really miss my husband.0 -
we received confirmation today that DH also has Semantic Dementia. When I asked for resources so we know what’s next and how this form progresses, I was told to look up FTD association. It is very hard to even find information on this variant. They suggested getting a social worker. Where do I go about finding one? Have any of you done this?
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FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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