Could alcohol be the cause and how do you know if it is?
My husband was diagnosed with early onset dementia (he’s 68) about 5 months ago. He had a neuropsych evaluation and he said it was really tough. I assumed he was having trouble during the testing as it took much longer to complete than I was originally told. Before he finished, the neuropsychologist came out and told me he was definitively having memory issues. During the “interview” portion of the appointment he answered questions pretty normally. She was surprised when she witnessed him during the testing process. He was very upset the night before the testing and drank a great deal and was obviously very drunk that night. I’m guessing it affected his testing the next day.
He has been drinking fairly heavily in the evenings on and off for about 8 to 10 years. He never drinks in the mornings but would often start in the mid to late afternoon and would pass out on the couch most nights between 6 and 8 pm, then wake up for a couple of hours and go to bed around 10:30 pm. He wasn’t honest with his PCP or the neuropsychologist about his drinking, so I told both of them. They suggested to him that he cut back to 2 to 3 drinks per week. He was angry at first and didn’t pay any attention to their suggestion until I had an angry discussion with him about it. He cut back to 2 drinks a day for about 2 weeks and is now probably drinking 3 to 4 drinks a day, some days more. He occasionally is passing out on the couch again. His cognitive ability had improved quite a bit when he wasn’t drinking as much, although he still would ask the same questions several times a day, but not several times an hour if that makes sense. He hasn’t declined cognitively to the point he was when we went to his first appointment, but I’m fearing that’s where we’re headed.
I’m wondering if alcohol is the cause of his dementia. When I’ve read about that type of dementia it seemed like the person would be drinking all day long every day for it to cause dementia. Am I getting the wrong impression on that?
On one hand, if it is the alcohol, from what I’ve read, there would be a better possibility of stopping the progression. But of course the alcohol battle isn’t easy either.
He is in the very early stages of this disease so he still drives and is able to find his way around areas that he is very familiar with. He goes to our local Walmart to buy groceries so he buys alcohol along with the groceries.
We have an appointment with a neurologist in February and they will be doing an MRI—will that help determine the cause as to whether or not it is the alcohol?
Sorry to be so lengthy in my post, but I wanted to give some additional background. Thanks!
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I am ao sorry to hear of the difficulty your dh is experiencing. Based on his history of alcohol abuse, he could be suffering from a treatable Thiamine deficiency. Such a deficiency can manifest itself with cognitive issues. Here is an excerpt. Also, @harshedbuzz's dad had this condition…
"Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome is an unusual type of memory disorder due to a lack of thiamin (vitamin B1) requiring immediate treatment. It most often happens in people with alcohol use disorder and malnutrition. While there isn’t a cure, healthcare providers can recommend treatments to manage your symptoms."
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MRI will not tell you the CAUSE, but it may show you the location of the damage, suggestive of Alz, Vascular, FTD, or PCA, etc.
Btw, "Early onset" is dementia which occurs before age 65. Your hubby being 68 would be classified as early stage Dementia, not early onset.
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drinking complicates everything.I lived with this chicken or the egg scenario 7 years ago. My alcoholic DH started having memory problems that became less noticeable when he quit drinking. He tested and didn’t have a thiamine deficiency. Unfortunately, the dementia progressed even after he quit drinking.
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@wilkins57 said:
I’m wondering if alcohol is the cause of his dementia. When I’ve read about that type of dementia it seemed like the person would be drinking all day long every day for it to cause dementia. Am I getting the wrong impression on that?
If it is WKS, the window in which one drinks is less important than the number of standard drinks consumed as well as his nutritional status. Another piece is that there seems to be a genetic piece WKS. There's a lot of alcohol use disorder and addiction issues in dad's family. His nephew was also diagnosed with WKS. In retrospect, I believe my late sister had it in the last 6 months of her life before dying from AIDS. Dad has a couple of uncles who also might have based on family stories. A lot of the research done on WKS comes out of the UK and Australia which would track with dad's family.On one hand, if it is the alcohol, from what I’ve read, there would be a better possibility of stopping the progression. But of course the alcohol battle isn’t easy either.
When dad was treated with IV Thiamine and remained abstinent, he did improve considerably from a baseline of complete psychosis. I'm told his nephew did stay sober with support of the son who took him in but he did still progress and died before he was 60. Dad's neurologist said sobriety would give the best chance of maintaining the improvements over time but it wasn't a guarantee.
I would say dad went from a stage 6 dementia with extreme delusions to about a stage 4-ish. Mom had left undiagnosed dad for a week to attend a funeral with dear friends checking on him and returned to what looked like a crime scene with all the art off the walls, broken glass everywhere, dad covered in blood and convinced he'd killed the bad man. This resulted in a weeklong hospital stay and then 7 weeks in a SNF during which time he had little access (weekly happy hour with one small glass of ghastly wine) to alcohol.
But as you say, being the alcohol police is not easy. One downside to dad's "improvement" was that it gave him more capacity to be difficult. Since dad had mixed dementia— both Alz and WKS, the battle over drinking became more nuanced. We considered a 28-Day inpatient program designed specifically for older alcoholics who have memory issues, but the director felt dad was unlikely to benefit long term because he wasn't interested in stopping and his current level of impairment meant he wouldn't be able to learn strategies for sobriety or even recognize that he needed to. We also tried the usual suggestions of trying alcohol-free versions or even watering down his wine/beer but he could always tell. Any suggestion to limit drinking resulted in him drinking more in retaliation.
As he progressed into stage 6-ish he did seem to drink less. It is possible that the addition of Wellbutrin to his meds helped dull his craving as its used for smoking and overeating. GLP-1s are being looked at for this use as well, fyi.He is in the very early stages of this disease so he still drives and is able to find his way around areas that he is very familiar with. He goes to our local Walmart to buy groceries so he buys alcohol along with the groceries.
This is difficult. Driving is an issue. Be certain you have contacted your insurance agent regarding his diagnosis. Dad's policy was void the minute the diagnosis was entered into his medical record. If he had an accident, you could be sued even if it's not his fault. I went through a lawsuit with my mom after an accident (no dementia— vision issues); that process takes time and a concern I would have given the progressive nature of dementia is that by the time he went to court he would not be the same person who had the accident. One thing that might be useful around the driving is to have him assessed by a specially trained OT. Some of the specific losses associated with WKS— especially around spatial reasoning would make driving unsafe. My dad once got angry with me because I said he couldn't put the cars in the garage. He didn't understand how I couldn't fit 3 vehicles into his one car garage. He also wanted to remodel a 6 x10' storage space into a Jack and Jill suite with a shared bath.We have an appointment with a neurologist in February and they will be doing an MRI—will that help determine the cause as to whether or not it is the alcohol?
The neuropsych might have suggested WKS in the pattern of areas where he did relatively well vs poorly. Dad's diagnostic process was a little unusual in that it started in the ED and then completed outpatient. The resident thought his symptoms lined up with WKS based on the history/symptoms I gave. The attending neurologist thought it was "just garden variety Alzheimer's". The new neurologist at the memory center gave him the dual diagnosis based on interviews, history, and tests. The test that confirmed the WKS was a special PET scan than looked at how certain parts of the brain use glucose.Sorry to be so lengthy in my post, but I wanted to give some additional background. Thanks!
More information is a good thing. The article that @JulietteBee shared is a good overview of what you might be seeing if this is WKS. Aside from the gait, the 2 most striking symptoms for me were dad always being cold (setting the heat to 85F in July in coastal MD) and conflating stories. Before he was diagnosed, this felt like he was rewriting family history.
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You are correct. Prolonged and heavy drinking can cause dementia, and your LO sounds like a heavy drinker. If he has Alz or some other type of dementia, consumption of alcohol will only exacerbate Wodementia. From your description I wonder if he is an alcoholic and do his doctors know and if they did would this affect his treatment?
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Thank you for your comments. I told his neuropsychologist through a questionnaire she gave me that I completed during his evaluation. He was not honest with her about his drinking. He wasn’t honest with his PCP either and I told the PCP he was drinking more than what he was saying, but didn’t mention how many years it had been going on. They both suggested he limit his drinking to 2 to 3 drinks a week, but he’s no longer paying attention to that recommendation.
I am also wondering if it would change his treatment. I go with him to his appointments so I will try to make sure the neurologist knows how much he has been drinking. I find it difficult to “rat him out” so to speak, almost like I’m betraying his trust.
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Thank you for your response. His PCP also did a thiamine test with results being no deficiency. He gets so upset and angry when I mention curbing his drinking that I’m afraid of losing his trust in me. As has been said, there’s really no reasoning with him on things.
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Thank you for your response. His PCP tested his thiamine and there was no deficiency. I really appreciate the info on what the MRI will show and the clarification between Early Onset and Early Stage Dementia. Thank you for the links as well. I will review them to further educate myself.
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Thank you for your very insightful post and the time you took in responding to my concerns. I’ll review the article JulietteBee shared regarding WKS. Thank you for the information about his driving too; that hadn’t even occurred to me as his driving skills haven’t been affected at this point. It will be important to look into this.
From what you’ve said about the dual diagnosis of WKS and Alzheimer’s I’m wondering if that may be his diagnosis. When we see he neurologist I’ll ask about a PET Scan in addition to the MRI that is scheduled. Thank you for your help.
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@wilkins57
Dad's Thiamine can back low normal but neurologist agreed to test further based on specific symptoms and his improvement on IV Thiamine/abstinence.
YMMV.
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