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pjasso
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Hi, I'm new to the group and looking for support. I don't know this is the right place for me.

My mother is in assisted living with mild-to-moderate dementia. She lives 1/2 mile down the road from me. I’m her primary care partner and decision-maker, but I’m not providing hands-on care. I'm mentally and emotionally exhausted by her demands and needs. They are often irrational, and yet she can't accept my response (btw, I don't tell her she is irrational, but I do "kick her requests down the road", or tell her she doesn't need it). I have become the parent and she the child, but she is very determined about what she thinks and needs. I use ChatGPT for reassurance and advice; It was Chat that pointed me to this site.

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  • H1235
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    Welcome. You are in the right place! I understand and sympathize with your situation. My mom wants her sewing machine, wood craft bead, an iron, curlers, hot glue gun, the list could go on and on. Like you I kick the can down the road, hoping maybe with luck she won’t bring it up again. I also avoid any conversation that may lead into these demands (that can be very hard). Sometimes I tell her I couldn’t find the particular item or I forgot it and apologize. When I tell her the facility won’t allow it she gets mad and sometimes says I told them to say that. I try to avoid telling her she doesn’t need it or will not remember how to use it, I can’t imagine that would go well. It’s hard, because if she actually needs something realistic I want to make she she has it, but asking if she needs anything is a bad idea. She would not be ok with me looking through her bathroom or dresser to see if she is out of something legitimate like hand lotion (she would be through the roof mad). I usually just get nosy when I go to the bathroom. I’m too scared to go through her room while she is in the dining room. Again I think this would set her off if she caught me. I hate conflict and I really don’t want to upset her. But when she runs out of something she forgets to tell me or complains that she has been out for weeks and it’s all my fault that it hasn’t been replenished. It’s a difficult situation.

  • pamu
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    Even though you're not providing hands on care, you are still a caregiver. This forum has been a lifesaver for me, providing support and advice. Sometimes I just read through old posts to help when I have a specific issue or concern. The mild to moderate stage is so difficult because they are probably unaware of their cognitive issues. I am in year 8 of my mom's diagnosis and she has been in MC since Sept (late stage 5/early 6 along with Paranoid Personality Disorder). My mom has had unreasonable demands for a very long time - changing her cell phone/plan four times in two years, getting a landline only to go back to a cell, making unnecessary appointments, fixating for things she has no need for or replacing items she inadvertantly throws away (up to 3 garbage bags a day). These behaviors all started in the early stages and continued to intensify as her dementia progressed. She had a major wandering episode that landed her in the ER and was released to MC from there. Now that she is in MC (5 min from my home) I no longer get 10 phone calls a day and I can sleep at night knowing she is being monitored. You will need to find a way to manage her care that doesn't lead you to burnout. What type of support does your mom's AL offer that might help? Is there a connected MC to her AL that she could transition to when the time comes?

  • Quilting brings calm
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    You are definitely in the right place. You can post in any of these sub-forums, and you should read posts from all of them too. Many of us have/had our loved ones in assisted living or memory care, while others feel they should keep their loved one at home. That option isn’t always feasible or appropriate for all.
    Are her requests coming during visits or via phone? If visits, try to limit the visits in frequency or duration - when you find yourself overwhelmed by her requests just leave. I found that once a week worked best unless I had a reason to be there more often. If by phone, try to limit answering the phone to once or twice a day. The staff will contact you if you are needed.

  • April23
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    Welcome. Just because you aren’t caring for her at home doesn’t mean you’re not a caregiver. It’s still exhausting.

    You’ve been given great advice already. My dad is in his later stages and hardly ever asks for anything anymore, which is its own kind of heartbreak. But when he did, I would just try to talk to him about it. “I need more furniture.” “What kind, where would you like it to go, what wood would be best, hey I love your nightstand, where did you get it, next time we’ll measure to see if a desk will fit there, I’ll bring some catalogs, etc.” So definitely kicking the can until the next time it came up but trying to make it a positive conversation we could have and that would make him feel heard and satisfied.

    Once early on when I told my dad he didn’t need his wallet/money because everything is taken care of, he said “It’s not a question of need!” Which I had no argument for. I never said he didn’t need something ever again.

  • sandwichone123
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    I agree with these comments. Always lead with yes. Yes, we can definitely get you some whatever. I'll check on it. The store was out of it. I'll bring it next week.

    Also, if she's calling often, you do not have to answer every time. You can set her ringtone to "silent" and call her back at a time that works for you. You do not have to visit every day, and you don't have to stay a long time when you do. Remember that your needs rank as high as hers do, and you do not have a staff filling your needs.

  • pjasso
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    OMG! THIS, everything you said!! My mom used to be pretty techy for her age. She used (and still has) an iPhone, iPad, Mac laptop, Apple Watch and a printer/fax/copy machine. She literally uses her iPad for online Solitaire and a jigsaw puzzle app. It's old and needs charging a couple times a day, but she can't strategize and remember to do charge it, and I caved in and got her a refurbished one that looks like new. But when I gave it to her today, all she could do was tell me how she needs a new printer because the scanner won't work. I'm pretty sure it is 100% user error, but she is ramping up about it. I need to go in when she isn't around (dining room or art class) and troubleshoot it. She sounded like a 2-year old today saying, "I want to buy a new one!"

  • pjasso
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    Thank you!!! You said that he mild to moderate stage is so difficult because they are probably unaware of their cognitive issues. Unfortunately, if my is in huge loud denial about having cognitive issues and becomes combative if she even thinks that I'm thinking it! Deep down, I think she is aware, but too frightened to admit it and so she has outbursts and dential. I NEVER EVER talk about it- it is all from her.

    Her AL doesn't have any "supports" in her AL. There are only a very few residents like her; the rest are either independent, or have some physical needs. My mom is "independent", but not allowed to leave the building and she hasn't forced the issue. The has had angry outbursts about it, but she has never eloped. There is no MC so she will need to move when that time comes. She couldn't handle it yet, and doesn't need it yet. I hate myself for saying this aloud, but I agree . . . I think it will become easier when she progresses out of this mild/mod stage. Thank you again!

  • pjasso
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    My mom is a texter. She loves using CAPS and !!! and even red angry faced emojis to express herself. Today, I was literally having a lovely time at a Monet exhibit with friends and I made the mistake of reading her text and it ruined my time for about 10 minutes- gave me a stomach ache! I right there and then decided from now on I will read all of her texts at 4:30 before she goes down for dinner. I will have my husband preview them during the day, and if it is something urgent or pleasant he can give it to me to read, but if not, he can tell me "It can wait until 4:30". I need to find away not to let her steal my happy good moods away from me. I have to stop thinking about her demands which can monopolize my brain.
    Today is Day 1 of that plan!! 😂

  • pjasso
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    Thank you . . I know I will be heartbroken when she moves into a more progressive stage, but right now I am wishing for it, which then just brings on guilt. It feels like having a "Terrible Two" year old. You love them, but you need to them to grow out of it . . although this will be the opposite. 😓

  • pjasso
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    Such great advice. Thank you!! I "know" these things intellectually. I just need to remember to apply them and really make it my habit. Thank you

  • Emily 123
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    edited May 7

    Hi pjasso,

    It sounds like you've done a good job identifying that your mom's disease is exhausting both her and you. With her having multiple ways to contact you this becomes more a question of how to reduce the disruptions. Am going to assume you're not going to remove her devices, so it will have to be on your end.

    Your strategy to have your husband intercept her texts is good. Why not also mute her or turning your phone's settings to 'focus' while you do things for yourself or other family? It sounds like much of what she's texting you isn't emergent. It's one thing to be responsive, another to let this disease run you ragged.

    Most of her urgency around her requests will be driven by her memory loss. She may not realize she's calling you so much, even though she can see all the calls or texts—short term memory, the sense of time passing, and the ability to use logic consistently are all lost fairly early in the disease. It may even be that seeing her outgoing texts gets her into an angry hyper-focused feedback loop about a single thing.

    Is she on any meds for anxiety or depression? It might be worth discussing starting or adjusting these with her physician. Her state of mind due to the disease can't be comfortable for her (or you). My mother was started on a low dose of Lexapro and it helped her 'let go' of a lot of her anxiety--she wasn't doped up or groggy, but it did help with repetitive behavior. Prior to that she would start looking for something, go through all the drawers, then forget that she'd already looked there and start all over again.

    The Ipad—Consider if a longer charging cord will help—I bought my Mom a 10' cord and it helped because she didn't unplug as much, but had to be set up so as to not be a trip hazard.

  • pjasso
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    Thanks so much Emily 123. This is helpful. I knew meds would be down the road for mood/anxiety at some point. I will talk to her doctor. I guess I just need an understanding of where the line is drawn, how much frustration/anxiety triggers the need for meds?

    You are right, and today was Day 1 of putting more boundaries in place and finding this support group has already made a huge difference in my own anxiety and I feel I can go to bed tonight and really be less stressed.
    Thanks again

  • harshedbuzz
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    @pjasso

    Hi and welcome.

    You are, by definition, a caregiver. It's a rare individual who can be a 24/7 caregiver; dementia care is a team sport. Every kind of caregiving is hard. The emotional responsibility for your mom's emotional well-being carries tremendous weight.

    All stages of dementia have their own difficulties for those diagnosed and those who care for them. Given my own dad's disposition, the middle stages were the mostly challenging. He was angry and unpleasant and hellbent on taking mom down with him. Not conjecture on my part, he told me he wanted her to be as miserable as she made him. As he progressed into later stages, he could still be unpleasant, but because we could work around him without triggering him as often and because he couldn't hold a grudge, it was easier in many respects.

    Your phone idea is brilliant. Another strategy some here have used is to get yourself a burner phone and program that number into mom's phone. This allows you to avoid her drama while you (or DH) check once daily at your convenience. The AL has your number and will contact you in a true emergency.

    HB

  • sandwichone123
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    @pjasso if the battery is not holding a charge, you can get a new battery for her old iPad. Around here we have Batteries Plus and they will install the new battery for you. Probably any electronic repair place would as well.

  • Victoriaredux
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    Hello pjasso- Welcome.

    With your Mother having so many tech toys that can reach the outside world I hope you hold your Mother's DPOA and ,after reviewing the wording that it is active and these actions allowed- have blocked her credit reports with the bureaus , set up an ID acct with the government and control her assets , except ,if needed, a controllable cash card. Money scammed is rarely recovered.

    I received a fake traffic ticket recently via some i message route I wasn't aware off [scammers troll for i message addresses, up popped a green notification on laptop, not on the phone ] so if she has open portals they could reach her.

    [off topic -

    these recent lectures were a real treat , excellent quality , a bonbon box for the eyes & soul. Museum website also has a talk on Monet & Venice]

  • pjasso
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    Thanks, I'll dig deeper into protections. My mom has literally ZERO money at her disposal, other a few small bills for the sweet shop in her building and a debit card with $100 limit, which my mom has never used. It sits in a drawer in an envelope. I share her Google Drive and check and clean out her email every morning. I don't have access to her texts, however, unless she and I are together, I look and clean out. She is vulnerable to phone calls, and could give away identify info. I'll look at that closer. THANK YOU for the reminder.

  • bieberr
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    love the “kick the requests down the road” metaphor. That concept just clicked in a way it hasn’t before and it feels extremely helpful all of a sudden.

    I think one of the most common misunderstandings about being responsible for a loved one with Alzheimer’s is the that we are still providing the great majority of the care and mental labor even if our loved one is in AL or MC. I spent all of my breaks during work today dealing with medication issues for my dad, having to deal with the emotional stress of escalating the issue to a manager, and the multiple communications between multiple agencies trying to fix the issue and then make make it was actually fixed…just so my dad doesn’t miss another night of an important med that could affect his mood and comfort. And I am an RN who is well versed in all things health related. In addition to this, I fielded several calls from my dad that were unrelated. All while trying to work. This is a typical day. I also see my dad once or twice a week (for a 5-6 hour day) for mostly appointments (sometimes for fun). And when I’m not with him, I’m mentally problem solving the issue of the day. It’s still a whole other job that takes up time and energy each and every day. This is caregiving.

  • pjasso
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    And I love the description, providing the "mental labor". THAT is exactly what we do. It really nailed it for me. I love this group! I'm retired, and my husband has said so many times, "How would you do this while working?". I am/was a school principal, retired 4 years. The school district calls me in every year to sub for another admin. This spring I'm working at a SPED preschool in the district, only a couple days a week and honestly, it is my haven! I just tell Mom, "Sorry, I can't talk today, I'm working. I'll call you later today". So, in contrast, this part time work now has saved me!

  • H1235
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    I also like the term mental labor. It seems my mind is almost always on mom. Should I bring her this, I need to call about a bill that didn’t seem right, she wants new pants but does she need more pants, I need to remember to put snacks for her on my grocery list, I’m concerned about this or that what should I do (thank goodness for the advice I get here), there was rain did her basement leak, she is struggling with her cpap how much longer will she be able to use it…… Its not even big heavy important things or things that need to physically be done, its worrying, wondering, planning, organizing, scheduling EVERYTHING. The weight of it, the pressure, knowing I am responsible for her and her only real advocate it’s all consuming. It just rarely leaves my mind. My brother visits every two weeks and thinks as DPOA I just pay her bills (how hard can that be?).

  • April23
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    I echo all the comments about what we do as caregivers, even though some of our LO’s are in LTC. The mental labor is such a great explanation. Although I do not wish it for any of you, when it’s time, be ready and have done the research for your preferred hospice agency. For us, it has been such a wonderful resource, I could cry with the relief of it. Now I have someone else helping to manage his needs, act as the liaison with the facility, ordering everything, etc. While I still do many things, this has relieved some of the stress and I can be more present during these last months with my dad.

  • Grenah
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    Mental labor is a perfect description. I live with my mother who has vascular dementia. There is the physical part of assisting her in the bathroom, shower, getting her meals, etc. The emotional part of dealing with the ever changing behaviors, some of which are frightening. I don't know what stage she is in, this is year two of it. We have called 911 on a couple of occasions but often there is nothing they can do. The lab results are all negative and her vitals are probably better than mine. A couple of times we have debated a visit to the ER but then she has snapped out of the almost catatonic state. I have a HHA but she is only four days a week for four hours. Otherwise it's me wondering what is next and how to deal with it. I've a support group but they don't understand because they don't live with it. This has become my support group. Thanks.

  • ARIL
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    I appreciate this thread very much, and reading it makes me feel seen and understood. I work a full-time job that requires quite a bit more attention than 40 hrs./week. One day this week I had a remote work day, and I had set most of it aside to work on a major project that’s due soon. But then I got a call from the MCF, connecting me to a PT, and sorting that took a while. Later that day I had to make an emergency run to a department store to buy new pillows for my dad’s bed; one of the staff had put one in a washing machine, and it was ruined. (At least they told me why the pillow was missing.) And I went to visit him before he went to dinner—a mostly OK visit, although he was very anxious. I went home, had dinner with my own family, walked the dog, and then got busy preparing for the following workday (not the major project). I was still working at 10:30. The major project is going to have to get done here and there, and over weekends. I’ll do it. I have before. But the relentlessness of this is wearing me down. And I did take the time to go to my annual doctor’s visit recently . . . she’s now sending me for more tests, since all sorts of numbers are going in the wrong direction: BP, lipids. I hear from various people, “I hope you’re taking time for self-care” or “You really need to take care of yourself,” and I think, WHEN? They’re not wrong, and these people mean well, but no, they don’t understand. You do. I thank you.

  • Daisy4U
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    Hi @pjasso , like the others, I'm walking a similar journey and really feel for you. It's exhausting to constantly be on high alert, trying to cope with every new crisis. I found "The Caregiver's Script" and "The Second Parenting" by Rutha Powers, to be invaluable. These resources helped me address the tough conversations/situations in providing care for my mother who also has mild-to-moderate dementia, especially the stubbornness that is so difficult to cope with.
    Wishing you strength for the journey.

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  • pjasso
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    Thanks for the recommendations!
    If I were to buy one at a time, which one would you recommend to read first?

  • Victoriaredux
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    I found fairly robust sample page sections for both on Amazon . That will give you a good flavor.

  • pjasso
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    Thanks, I researched a bit and found that The Caregiver’s Script is more for daily challenges, conflict, hard conversations and logistics, and The Second Parenting is for processing the emotional journey and the long-term role. I just ordered The Caregivers Script and look forward to learning more strategies!

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    Sorry for the delay @pjasso. Been away.

    I'd go with the Script. It's practical and meets you where you are at. There were suggestions I'd never even thought of. For instance, the weekly summary update was a game changer for our family. I got so much relief from that one change (answering calls in real-time from different family members was giving me stress!) yet my family still felt more in the know. I am also using their Secure, web-based Care Tracker available at www.cosyseniorcaretracker.com. I can access the digital versions of the worksheets recommended in the "Script" book and share a link with the latest updates on how my mom is doing at the press of a button! No more having to track who got the latest info and who didn't. I don't have to try and remember a million and one details anymore. Here are a couple of screen shots from the App. The book and care tracker have made a world of difference. I'm planning to do a deeper dive into the 2nd Parenting which deals with the feelings that come up, now that I've got a better handle on some of the practical aspects.

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  • Daisy4U
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    Totally get what you mean @H1235. The thoughts don't turn off. My mother is always on my mind, it's like there is another life occupying my head space, taking up all the room, while I fit in the attic. I try to find different ways to shut the thoughts off and distract myself from thinking about my mom, but it's not easy. I'm also dealing with a "ghost sibling" who's hardly there and has no conception of the million and one things required to care and advocate for a vulnerable senior.

    When I am not with her, I long to be there, worrying about how she is doing (she recently moved into a lovely LTC home). Yet, when I visit, I long to be away. From the feelings of guilt. I know deep down this is the best solution for her given her health needs, but the heart sings its own song. Stay strong!

  • psg712
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    I understand this too ... having the PWD always on your mind, wanting and yet not wanting to be with them, having other family who care but don't really understand what you are dealing with as you juggle all the aspects of their care. It's true from the earliest sense of alarm that something is wrong to the sadness of stage 7. The folks of this forum are truly the BEST support that I've found. So grateful for all of you!

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DH = Dear Husband
DW= Dear Wife, Darling Wife
LO = Loved One
ES = Early Stage
EO = Early Onset
FTD = Frontotemporal Dementia
VD = Vascular Dementia
MC = Memory Care
AL = Assisted Living
POA = Power of Attorney
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