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Warning: Avoid Brain Injury in mAb Clinical Trials.

In 2023, I was in a clinical trial similar to those mentioned in the NY Times article posted here by Crushed. (Alzheimer's drug horror story from the NYT, posted 10/23/2023). I was tested and accepted into the study in January. After taking 5 doses, one injection each week for five weeks, I started getting side effects. I took no more doses after that.

In Feb I had an ocular migraine and hallucination. Three little toddlers in their summer pajamas dancing in and out of my left peripheral vision. This was attributed to brain edema (swelling) on my MRI. I developed brain fog and confusion.

In May I was hospitalized with symptoms of a stroke. Tingling and numbness in my left lip, fingers, and toes. I'd had a transient ischemic attack (TIA), sometimes called a mini-stroke or pre-stroke. Headaches, brain edema, and brain fog continued.

In June I experienced my first seizure and my MRI showed microhemorrhages (bleeding) in my brain. My driver's license was suspended for 8 months. I still get seizures now. They occur at night and are controlled with medication. My doctor noted that "patients who have a stroke followed by a seizure will need to be on lifelong anti-seizure medication."

It wasn't until well into 2024 that my MRIs were finally clear of brain swelling and bleeding.

What I didn't know (and what they didn't tell me) when I entered the study was that I have one APOE-4 gene which is probably why I reacted so strongly to the monoclonal antibody (mAb) drug they gave me. Some trials of mAb drugs exclude people with APOE-4 genes from the study because their risk of brain injury is too high.

If you or your loved one has one or two APOE-4 genes, please do not volunteer for studies testing monoclonal antibody drugs. In my opinion, the risk of brain injury is too high. I would also be cautious about taking the antiamyloid approved drugs (lecanemab and donanemab) without a good hard discussion with your doctor or a neurologist first.

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  • marionwilhelm
    marionwilhelm Member Posts: 20
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    Gosh. I have 2 of the APOE genes, discovered from testing for a drug study. I didn't qualify for the study so I guess I'm lucky? I am sorry that you had such a dreadful reaction.

  • PHDoc
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    Thank you. You may not have qualified because you have those 2 genes and they knew it was too dangerous for you to be in that trial. Be thankful you were not allowed into the study. Other studies not testing mAbs would be better for you.

  • LBC83
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    Thank you for your posting. You are a brave individual, volunteering for a clinical trial.

    I've completed my 12th Leqembi infusion, my final MRI will be after my 13th infusion on Monday. I've had zippo reactions from the Leqembi / infusions.

    Prior to starting Leqembi, I carefully studied the Phase 3 Leqembi drug trial paper published in the New England Journal of Medicine (link below). I'm an APOE4 heterozygote (one gene). For this group, 10.9% of the total participants in the Leqembi Phase 3 trial experienced ARIA-E, vs 1.9% on placebo. For APEO4 homozygote (two genes), 32.6% of the participants experienced ARIA-E, vs 3.8% on placebo. I believe these numbers are based on test results identifying ARIA-E. They also separately reported symptomatic ARIA-E, only 1.7% of APOE4 heterozygote's apparently experienced symptoms of ARIA-E, and 9.2% of APOE4 homozygotes experienced symptoms of ARIA-H.

    Given my family history (both my parents had dementia), and after watching my Mom slowly fade away from the disease, and given I have only one of the two dreaded genes, after talking this over with my neurologist and my wife, I elected to start Leqembi. I am glad I made that decision, as I feel it is buying me more quality time with my family, albeit with a slight risk for ARIA. There is also a risk I will die in a fatal car accident on my way to the gym, or get shot walking around my city, or get cancer. Life is full of risks, I judged that the incremental risk from Leqembi was low. But I respect that others might come to a different conclusion.

    Finally, I remain hopeful that in the next couple of years, drugs which address tau that are currently or will soon start clinical trials will prove successful, be authorized by the FDA, and then can be added to my arsenal.

    Here is a link to the Leqembi Phase 3 trial
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2212948

  • gsergenian
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    I just posted this on another thread. I have been leaning towards using Leqembi because I am an active and otherwise healthy octogenarian who wants as much quality time with my family and friends as possible. I have had all the testing but a PET scan, soon to be administered.

    However, I just read the following article in the NYT which reports a great deal of fraud and misconduct in the research into the amyloid hypothesis. This brings into doubt the findings upon which people are deciding to go ahead with Lequembi. I am rethinking my plans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/opinion/alzheimers-fraud-cure.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rk4.zQ-K.nivpx06Hkyym&smid=url-share

  • LBC83
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    I understand your concern, and I respect any decision you make.

    I feel for people like Genevieve Lane, the 79-year old resident of the Villages in Florida who died in Sept 2022 after 3 doses of Leqembi in the Phase 3 trial. Her autopsy showed she had 51 microhemorrhages. She had two copies of APOE4 and she also had four previous microbleeds before starting on Leqembi (increasing her likelihood of brain bleeding when taking Leqembi). She was unaware of these two risks. She started on placebo, then switched to Leqembi when she had the opportunity at the conclusion of the initial trial. She had a headache after her first infusion, another headache after her 2nd infusion, and another after her 3rd. It was after dinner following her 3rd infusion that she slumped over and became unresponsive, dying in the hospital five days later.

    The NYT article indicates participants were unaware of the dangers of the trial when they agreed to participate in the Phase 3 trial for Leqembi.

    I would challenge that assertion.

    Let us take a quick review of the Phase 1 & Phase 2 trials with Leqembi. In the Phase 1 clinical trial, nobody died. There were zero cases of symptomatic ARIA-E, and zero cases of ARIA-E detected in the MRIs. As one example of how the Phase 1 trial was conducted, they started with a single dosage of 0.1 mg/kg (our dosage today is 10 mg/kg, so they started at 1% of what we now receive). By "single dosage", I really do mean a single dosage. These participants received one dose of 0.1 mg/kg of Leqembi and they were done with the clinical trial. There were 8 people in this portion of the trial, 6 receiving Leqembi and 2 on placebo. Blood draws were taken immediately after dosing, then at 30 minutes, 1 hour, 2H, 4H, 8H, and 24H. They also did blood work at 10, 21, 28, 90, and 180 days after dosing. All of this blood work was done presumably to determine how the concentrations of Leqembi in the bloodstream change over time.

    After perhaps a month or so they checked up on the status of those who had received the 0.1 mg/kg dosage and they were find. They then then repeated the process at a dosage of 0.3 mg/kg (3% of what we now receive). Again a single dose, again all of the blood work, again wait around a month after testing to see how people did.

    This process was repeated till they got to 10 mg/kg dosage as a single dosage test. In parallel, they also started multiple dosage tests, with the first starting at 0.3 mg/kg every 4 weeks (compared to our biweekly infusions). After they found people did ok with this dosage level, they started a new group of 8 people with a higher dosage administered every 4 weeks. The last group they tested was for our standard conditions of 10 mg/kg with bi-weekly infusions.

    The paper documenting the results of the Phase 1 trial states "Leqembi was safe and well tolerated in mild to moderate AD. The incidence of ARIA on MRI was comparable to placebo. On the basis of these findings, a Phase 2b efficacy study has been initiated in early AD."

    There were 7 deaths during the Phase 2 trial for Leqembi. But first, note that like the Phase 1 trial, the Phase 2 trial utilized different dosage levels of Leqembi: 2 on placebo, 2 on 2.5mg/kg biweekly, 1 on 5/mg/kg biweekly, and 2 on 10 mg/kg monthly. There were zero deaths in the Phase 2 trial for those on 10mg/kg biweekly.

    The publicly available paper documenting the results of the Phase 2 trial for Leqembi states the following in the "Safety" section: "Leqembi was generally well-tolerated with ARIA-E incidence <10% at the highest doses for the overall population and 14.3% for APOE4 positive subjects. … 37 of the 48 ARIA-E cases (2 for placebo, 46 for Leqembi) were in APOE4+ subjects. There were 5 cases of symptomatic ARIA-E. Most ARIA-E (60%) occurred within the first 3 months of treatment and were mostly mild-to-moderate in radiologic serverity. All ARIA-E caess resolved, with a typical time course of 4-12 weeks. There were no symptomatic cases of ARIA-H. As seen for the incidence of ARIA-E, the incidence of ARIA-H on Leqembi was higher in APOE4 carriers (13%) than in APOE4 non-carriers (5%)."

    All of this data supported the Phase 3 trial, which showed that Leqembi resulted in 27% slowing in cognitive decline compared to placebo based on the Clinical Dementia Rating - Sum of Boxes (CDR-SB) score. The published Phase 3 trial contains additional statistics regarding ARIA incidence rates.

    Eli Lily has published similar data for their anti-amyloid drug Kisunla.

    This data seems to generally indicate the amyloid hypothesis is correct, in that reducing amyloid does result in a small slowing in cognitive decline. Are there risks with anti-amyloid drugs? Yes, and anyone considering taking Leqembi / Kisunla should be aware of the possible issues with ARIA.

    Last point.

    By my estimates, there are over 50,000 people in the U.S. currently receiving Leqembi (this is based on the Leqembi sales reported by Eisai in the company earning's reports on their website). I'm not sure how many people outside the U.S. are taking Leqembi. If huge numbers of people were having problems with Leqembi, I presume that there would be lots of postings to groups like this about problems with Leqembi, and articles in newspapers, and the FDA would be issuing warnings. ARIA isn't something to take lightly, and there are other dangers with Leqembi. But the alternative is to let "nature take its course" and have a faster rate of cognitive decline. I can understand why others may make a different decision than I did, but I'd suggest individuals considering Leqembi / Kisunla might want to read both sides of the story regarding the pros/cons of the drug.

  • LBC83
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    NYT Article, Take 2

    Today I re-read the entire NYT article, and reviewed the Leqembi Phase 2 Trial Clinical Study Protocol and the results from the Phase 2 trial.

    One criticism in the NYT article is that as part of the Phase 2 clinical trial, Eisai screened participants based on APOE status. Specifically, Eisai preferentially selected patients who were APOE positive (either heterozygote or homozygote), as opposed to APOE negative. The Times alleges this was due to a desire to select participants who would be likely develop AD. They further allege that Eisai was aware of the higher risks of ARIA for those APOE positive, but failed to notify the participants of this situation after they performed genetic testing to determine the participant's APOE status.

    As previously posted, the Phase 1 clinical trial data was very sparse with only 8 participants in each group receiving either various single doses of Leqembi, or a few multi-doses of Leqembi. Thus, I don't see how Eisai could have had any data to substantiate quantified estimates of risks of ARIA correlated to APOE status for Leqembi. At best, perhaps Eisai staff could have warned participants that their APOE status might be related to the degree of risk exposure they have to problems with Leqembi. That seem not particularly helpful to me, as I would want a quantified risk assessment. Let me provide an example.

    I drive about 30 minutes one-way to my Leqembi infusions, mostly on a highway through the downtown of a moderate-sized city. The speed limit is 60 mph for most of the route, but drops to 50 mph near downtown. However, the general traffic flow is around 70 mph, regardless of location. To minimize my risk of an accident, I tend to "go with the flow" and drive at the speed of other traffic. However, if I was in an accident, I recognize that my chances of being injured roughly go up with the square of the speed of the car. This is dictated by physics: the kinetic energy of the car is computed from the mass of the car times the square of the speed of the car. Driving at 70 vs 60 represents a 36%increase in energy that needs to be dissipated in an accident, compared to a17% increase in car speed. I am also aware that 25,726 people died in passenger vehicle crashes in the US in 2022 (per the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety). I am also aware that I am at a higher risk of injury by driving "with the flow". My thought is that driving the speed limit would perhaps further increase my risk of an accident, as nobody seemingly actually drives the speed limits on highways where I live.

    Back to the story of the Leqembi Phase 2 trial, one thing I found interesting in reading the Eisai report on the Phase 2 trial (but not discussed in the NYT article) is the fact that emerging data during the Phase 2 trial indicated that APOE4 carriers had a higher risk of developing symptomatic ARIA. At one point in time, "there were 9 subjects with confirmed cases of ARIA-E, of which 3 cases were symptomatic and associated with brain MRI scans showing significant amounts of vasogenic edema consistent with ARIA-E. All 3 of these symptomatic ARIA-E cases took place in APOE4 homozygous subjects." This data was reviewed by an independent Drug Safety Monitoring Board. They recommended "not to randomize APOE4 homozygous individuals [i.e. new participants] to the highest dose of 10 mg/kg biweekly." Eisai implemented this recommendation in their trial. The trial continued, later "with 10 subjects with confirmed cases of ARIA-E, of which 9 cases were in APOE4 positive subjects (APOE hetero- or homozygous)." A European Union advisory board then provided safety recommendations beyond those of the Drug Safety Monitoring Board: they requested "that subjects who are confirmed APOE4 positive (APOE4 hetero- or homozygous) not be randomized to the 10 mg/kg, biweekly dose". This expanded the previous limitation for APOE4 homozygous to both APOE4 heterozygous and homozygous. This recommendation was accepted and implemented in the trial.

    This seems to be an example of Eisai adjusting the trial to accommodate the recommendations of Safety Monitoring Boards to ensure a safe drug trial. I'd say this is a good thing, and reflects a desire by Eisai to operate a safe drug trial.

    None of this is mentioned in the NYT article.

    To wrap-up this post, I sometimes wonder how my risk of ARIA from Leqembi infusions compares to my risk of a fatal car accident when driving to my infusions. Both seem to be generally rather rare events, the question gets into exactly how rare the events really are. This is not an easy thing to quantify. I'm a heterozygote, and my sense of reviewing the data from the Phase 3 Leqembi drug trial is that my chances of having severe ARIA are very low. Hence my election to start on Leqembi. But as previously noted, I can understand how others might weigh the risks and come to different conclusions.

  • South Dakota Dave
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    LBC83, thanks for the info on the NYT article that seems to be ignoring the care of the Leqembi researchers and what they did to protect the trial participants.

  • jojorurus64
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    I am starting Leqembi on Jan 30th.

    I am doing it for myself but also for my children for the future.

    I will keep you updated as I go.

    I was denied by Tricare insurance but luckily will all be free until I am 65 in May.

    My emotions are through the roof and this is from someone who is determined to be positive through all this.

    I know we go through these stages but it is so difficult to put my husband through this as we were planning on doing so much.

    Also my mother of 84 in England has Vascular dementia, she is fit as a fiddle but always thoughtv towards the end I would be there helping my sister and now I may have to accept I cannot.

  • LBC83
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    My message to jojorurus64 and others taking Leqembi is not to give up hope! I continue to believe those of us receiving Leqembi infusions to slow down the progression of AD may have a chance at actually beating the disease, albeit living the rest of one's life with some degradation in cognitive capability. I am an Engineer by training, and this hope is not based on some fantasy about a miracle drug that will one day cure AD. Rather, my hope is science-based, reviewing the data available in the open literature.

    As I understand today's grand theory of AD progression, things start going haywire in our brains a decade or so before any symptoms show up. For reasons still unknown to our Doctors, amyloid plaque begins to form in our brains. This plaque can cause minor damage, but it isn't the key driver in cognitive decline. Rather, large accumulations of amyloid plaque seem to trigger the generation of tau proteins in our brains. It is the accumulating tau that drives the cognitive decline.

    Thus, while Leqembi (and Kisunla) reduce the amount of amyloid plaque, they aren't targeting the tau which is the real problem.

    Right now, Eisai (Japanese drug company that developed Leqembi) is recruiting participants for a Phase 2 drug trial paring an anti-tau drug E2814 with Leqembi. I created the table below showing all of the planned locations for the trial, in the US & Japan. The 14 locations in the U.S. that are now enrolling participants are shown in green. I called one of the clinics located within commuting distance from my new home, just to see if I could be eligible. Unfortunately, already being on Leqembi disqualified me from participating in the trial. So I don't believe any of us on Leqembi can participate in this trial. :(

    For those unfamiliar with E2814, Eisai began a Phase 1 trial with E2814 (by itself) in Dec 2019. The results of the trial were presented at the July 2023 Alzheimer's Association International Conference. The drug was shown to be safe and well-tolerated in the highest dose in both healthy and AD cohorts, with a particular form of tau declining by 30-70% after treatment in AD patients. Data from a different trial with E2814 was presented at another 2024 AD conference. In this second trial, CSF pTau217 was halved after 2 years of treatment.

    The trial with E2814 concurrent with Leqembi is scheduled to run through 2028, so we will have to wait a while for results. If the trial is successful, and if and early readout of results sometime before 2028 shows positive results, and if at that point Eisai starts a Phase 3 trial, and finally if the Phase 3 trial shows positive results, then finally the FDA could approve E2814 and we could all possibly take that in combination with Leqembi.

    Lots of "if" statements in that prior sentence, but that is what gives me some hope.

    Study Title: A Study of E2814 With Concurrent Lecanemab Treatment in Participants With Early Alzheimer's Disease
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT06602258

    Locations for Clinical trial of E2814 with Leqembi

    Going back to where we started, with the discussion of amyloid and tau, there is a 2023 paper by Dr Boxer and Dr Sperling with a graphic I've found to be very helpful in understanding the theory of AD progression. The graphic is copied below. The paper is titled "Accelerating Alzheimer's therapeutic development: The past and future of clinical trials."

    Here is my understanding of the plot (I'm an Engineer, not a biologist, or a Doctor, or a chemist, so my interpretations may be completely wrong).
    Box "A" (at the top, Biomarker cascade). This shows the typical progression of a person with AD and no treatments, from 20 years prior to symptoms showing up to having severe dementia. The dotted red line is showing the soluble amyloid starts to increase at 20 years before symptoms. The next biomarker to increase is the solid red line (amyloid plaque), then soluble tau (dotted blue line), and finally tau tangles (solid blue line) are detectable about 6 years before cognitive decline is detected. Boxer labels this point as a "Ca-tau-strophe", a play on words with tau causing a catastrophe in our brains.

    Box B is Boxer's view on what happens to those of us on Leqembi or Kisunla - the amyloids and the soluble tau drop, but the dreaded tau tangles only drop slightly and the cognitive decline is only slightly reduced.

    Box C is Boxer's prediction of what might happen if somebody were to take an anti-amyloid drug like Leqembi in conjunction with an anti-tau drug. Note that the blue tau tangle line now drops, but most importantly, note that the black line showing cognitive decline levels off (i.e. cognitive decline is stopped!!!). Again, my hope is that the anti-tau drugs now undergoing testing will be available to those of us on Leqembi soon enough to help our situation, and that these drugs work as predicted by Boxer.

    To finish off Boxer's plot, Box D illustrates what he believes might be the result of an existing trial with Leqembi. In this case, the drug is given very early in the progression of AD (way before any cognitive decline, or large accumulation of amyloid in the brain). Boxer's theory is that taken at this very early stage, the control of amyloid results in no large amount of soluble tau, so there is little to no tau tangles, and no cognitive decline. I would quibble with Boxer's illustration for Box D. If I had been asked to review the paper, I would have suggested changing the shape of the black line for cognitive decline in Box D, as I don't think Boxer meant to show that the cognitive decline would start to increase for some weird reason later in life.

    Box E is the distant future, perhaps past my lifetime. At that point, perhaps a vaccine will have been developed to prevent amyloid from accumulating, thus again short-circuiting the process of AD.

    Source: 2023 paper "Accelerating Alzheimer's therapeutic development: The past and future of clinical trials."

  • gsergenian
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    edited February 5

    Thank you LBC83 for your detailed comments!

  • jojorurus64
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    Thank you for all the information.

    I had my 1st infusion, a slight headache next day but no other side effects.

    Jo

  • LBC83
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    edited February 10

    I am APOE 3/4. I decided not to take Leqembi because of the risks. What I did not know at that time, was that a Supplement was later published, that confirmed my decision. The results indicated that females had a 12% slowing of decline, whereas males showed a 43% slowing of decline. I don't know if the difference is statistically significant but, as a female, especially one who carries the APOE4 gene, I believe this information should have been available before all the hoopla.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2212948/suppl_file/nejmoa2212948_appendix.pdf

  • LBC83
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    I respect your decision not to start on Leqembi, anyone considering taking the drug needs to weigh the risks versus the benefit, as you clearly carefully did.

    One clarification to your comment. Per my reading of the paper and the New England Journal of Medicine website, the paper itself and all of the supplementary material was published on November 29, 2022 at NEJM.org.

    As you noted, the supplementary information includes what are know as "Forest Plots" showing the adjusted mean difference in the Clinical Dementia Rating - Sum of Boxes scores for Leqembi by various categories. The data shows the average 12% slowing of cognitive decline for women compared with the 43% average decline for me. There are also what I would call "error bars" around each number, indicating the variation between individuals within the trial. While the average woman had a 12% slowing of decline, some women had better than 12% slowing (and some women had more slowing then men), while a few women actually performed worse compared to those on placebo.

    Similar information is provided by age: those over 75 had the largest slowing of decline at 40%, while those under 65 had the least slowing of decline at 6%. Those in between those ages had an average 23% slowing of decline.

    Finally, data is provided by APOE4 type. Non-carriers had the best slowing of decline at 41%, and heterozygotes had an average of 30% slowing of decline. I found the data startling for homozygotes: on average, Leqembi worsened their cognition by 22%.

    From all this data, I conclude that anyone who is a female, a Homozygote APOE4 carrier, and under age 65, Leqembi may not be so great for them. At the other end of the spectrum, males who are non-APOE4 carriers over 75 seem to do best with Leqembi. It is hard to tell for everybody else, as they are a mish-mash between the various reported groupings.

    I've found the above somewhat interesting, but not worth studying in close detail. My first rationale is that as noted above, the data shows there are large variances around the average values. My second thought comes from an intriguing substudy in the Phase 3 trial for those with No/Low Tau. Eisai reported this data at a 2024 Alzheimer's conference. Eisai provided a caution notice regarding this data, as the substudy population was very small so the results may not extrapolate to a larger group of people. Within this low/no tau substudy population, 76% of the participants had no decline in CDR-SB score at 18 months (60% actually showed an improvement instead of a decline) and 59% had no decline at 36 months of treatment (with 51% showing an improvement and not a decline).

    My take-a-way is that the benefit of Leqembi may be very large for those with low / no tau levels, in contrast with the often-quoted overall average values from the entire population in the full study.

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